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Post by paul on Jun 10, 2011 9:14:25 GMT 9.5
I doubt that religion is a tool to control the masses. The masses do not go to mass any more.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 10, 2011 9:46:24 GMT 9.5
Here (in Australia) the control of religion has been usurped by 'daily' newspapers, but elsewhere in the world there are 'religious' who still hold a whip in one hand. For some it is do or die. We sometimes forget that.
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Post by mgc on Jun 11, 2011 0:09:13 GMT 9.5
remember this is 200+ years ago?
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Post by LorrB on Jun 13, 2011 8:27:01 GMT 9.5
assuming religion is (at this time) a tool to control the masses, and "they" wanted to keep it that way, how would they respond to these developments? Use the same tactics they did in the past - and which politics and science still use today... tell you what you want them to believe and issue harsh penalities to those that have alternative ideas. Religion still holds sway in undeveloped nations. Women are still stoned to death, babies are still being 'farmed' from women and girls held captive -for 'use', including ritual sacrifice. I have tears in my eyes as I write this. They busted a group doing this somewhere in Africa just last week. Hell on Earth.
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Post by paul on Jun 16, 2011 10:55:02 GMT 9.5
Returning to the title of the thread:
It may be that what looks to humans like geopolitics is actually the outworking of greater struggles - several cosmic domestic disputes.
Humans may align with one of the disputing parties and play out those agendas on Earth.
Such effects may appear evil to humans but the cosmic perspective may differ.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 16, 2011 12:54:06 GMT 9.5
... like when people say he or she is aligned with the dark side (Star Wars) ??
In science - maybe referring to quantum entanglement? What happens anywhere in the Universe affects everything else in the universe to a greater or lesser degree?
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Post by paul on Jun 16, 2011 13:10:41 GMT 9.5
Those who are entangled in the cosmic domestics generally consider themselves on the side of light - even if they follow the Grim Reaper (Saturn) who is/was a major sponsor of the Nazis.
Even those beings who say they are dark seem to me to want to be loved in some way.
One useful tactic when approached by a dark entity to demand that the entity show you its light. If your authority is sufficient and the entity shows some of its light, then it will immediately start to change - becoming grey rather than black.
This might suggest that those on the dark side are not entirely so and have a natural tendency to turn towards light.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 16, 2011 14:26:52 GMT 9.5
I just got a mental picture of me running 100 mph looking over my shoulder yelling... you ever catch me I'm gonna make you show me your light.. lol
Can you think of any part the ritual, symbols, allegories of Masonry that might be obliquely referring to this scenario?
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Post by paul on Jun 17, 2011 13:33:58 GMT 9.5
While withdrawal is a good tactic when outclassed, it is important not to allow fear to dominate. Fear weakens the aura. Sometimes invoking protection and standing the ground is better - particularly if the brother's life and actions are virtuous. (Lack of morality is a great weakness when facing dark entities)
As for Masonic teachings on dealing with dark entities, I suggest that current Masonic practice assumes that the candidate has made sufficient inner progress to deserve those privileges.
The process of making that progress is left largely to the individual brother who is expected to practice the Masonic virtues. Masonic science is not sufficiently wide-spread to allow lodges to diagnose a brother's inner progress.
The nearest the ritual gets to dealing with darkness is instructing brethren who are at variance to withdraw to avoid undermining the harmony of the lodge.
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Post by Henka on Jun 17, 2011 22:22:56 GMT 9.5
As for Masonic teachings on dealing with dark entities, I suggest that current Masonic practice assumes that the candidate has made sufficient inner progress to deserve those privileges. What of Dark Goddesses? Such as Kali, Hecate, Cerridwen, Lilith, Persephone, Fata, Morgana, Ereshkigal, Arianhrod, Durga, Inanna and Tiamat. They have much to teach us about facing and integrating our light and shadow selves.
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Post by paul on Jun 18, 2011 7:20:35 GMT 9.5
So what are the Masonic teachings on dark entities?
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Post by Henka on Jun 18, 2011 7:32:12 GMT 9.5
So what are the Masonic teachings on dark entities? Are the entities truly dark? Or are they simply complimentary to light?
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Post by paul on Jun 18, 2011 8:37:48 GMT 9.5
That is an interesting question on various levels. I see many humans who are unwitting hosts to dark entities. The dark entities often have little respect for bodies or relationships so in a human sense are counterproductive. At a solar systemic level those same entities may be seen as viruses propagating through human and other species thereby posing a challenge to those species to become whole and to contribute to the redemption of the matter used for their bodies on the various planes. On a more fundamental level we have the Cosmic Out-breath (dark) and In-breath (light) dictionary.babylon.com/tsimtsum/ They of course are completely complementary. Their natural rhythms may however be distorted by species and even kingdoms that avert their faces. That aversion may induce profound existential pain in other kingdoms.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 20, 2011 8:32:46 GMT 9.5
So what are the Masonic teachings on dark entities? They are not to be admitted into Freemasonry (if recognised that is.) These are the true Cowans and Intruders. This is why it is important that initial interviews etc are carried out with diligence. Unfortunately, falling memberships and rising costs oftentimes see us admitting some we shouldn't. In fairness to the interviewers, a person will be on good behaviour if they are petitioning for admittance.. it is quite difficult to discern a person who is not in control of their vehicle. That is the beauty of the EA degree, someone not in control will find it very difficult to remain quiet, take direction etc etc. In our Order one remains an EA for a considerable time, the test for the EA would not be difficult at all if they are passed very quickly to the next degree.
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Post by paul on Jun 20, 2011 8:58:56 GMT 9.5
In our Order one remains an EA for a considerable time, ... One would certainly hope that ruffians did not passed to the FC degree
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Post by LorrB on Jun 20, 2011 9:39:09 GMT 9.5
They have much to teach us about facing and integrating our light and shadow selves. .. hug your enemy and they will disappear?
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Post by mgc on Jun 23, 2011 23:42:18 GMT 9.5
Returning to the title of the thread: It may be that what looks to humans like geopolitics is actually the outworking of greater struggles - several cosmic domestic disputes. Humans may align with one of the disputing parties and play out those agendas on Earth. Such effects may appear evil to humans but the cosmic perspective may differ. what cosmic entities influence humans? consciously? being?
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Post by paul on Jun 24, 2011 8:12:21 GMT 9.5
These matters are covered in the traditional histories of native peoples including the Old Testament and in astrological theory.
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Post by mgc on Jun 26, 2011 11:36:56 GMT 9.5
how does 1 rise above these influences?
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Post by mgc on Jul 24, 2011 5:55:58 GMT 9.5
no reply?
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