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Post by paul on Jul 4, 2013 20:14:16 GMT 9.5
I rather think that Freemasonry derives from the Blazing Star. I seem to recall stating that several times for you.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 4, 2013 20:24:03 GMT 9.5
... we know you are a bloke (Aussie for man's man) ... Stewart might have thought you were firefox who was a female poster on another forum ... or he might have been joshing you foxfires, Our Stewie has a cheeky sense of humour.
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Post by paul on Jul 4, 2013 20:29:28 GMT 9.5
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 4, 2013 20:36:39 GMT 9.5
www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html And for the record , I do not mind if I am identified as male or female / boy or girl. As this is just plumbing for procreation and waste disposal If I have your gender wrong foxfires please accept another apology from me. Sorry. For what it is worth I have a very strong feminine side myself which I have found to be mighty useful in enabling me on my personal esoteric journey. I have always got on, as friends, with women better than men, and that suits me. It has also been extremely enabling and I am now pretty much convinced that one of the real esoteric secrets of life is learning to balance the male and female energies we all have inside us. Taken to the extreme in ancient Greece I think. And before it crosses anyones mind, like the man with a million names, no I am not a crossdresser, bisexual, got both body parts or want to be a woman. I do however have a liking for women in rubber [as in dresses not the really kinky stuff].
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 4, 2013 20:39:12 GMT 9.5
Stewart might have thought you were firefox who was a female poster on another forum ... or he might have been joshing you foxfires, Our Stewie has a cheeky sense of humour. Lorr is correct I did make an incorrect assumption. Sorry. As an aside normally my humour is so dry few get it, one of the downsides of being a serious bloke. In this case however I simply got it wrong. I mean no offense.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 4, 2013 20:49:27 GMT 9.5
Being a bit thick and google is not helping me, foxfires what does lolfs mean?
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Post by comet on Jul 5, 2013 11:37:38 GMT 9.5
>What in your opinion is the Blazing Star known as among astronomers? A comet.
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La Reception Mysterieuse
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Post by La Reception Mysterieuse on Jul 5, 2013 11:39:47 GMT 9.5
In “La Reception Mysterieuse” (The Mysterious Reception), the 1738 French translation of “Masonry Dissected,” Samuel Pritchard’s 1730 exposure, “blazing star” is explicitly taken to mean “comet.” Why? Because that is what “blazing star” explicitly meant at the time.
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Post by paul on Jul 5, 2013 11:41:53 GMT 9.5
>A comet.
Is it a recurring comet, or has it gone forever?
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Post by John Gadbury on Jul 5, 2013 11:57:01 GMT 9.5
The comet of 1665 which marked the height of the Black Death and presaged the Great Fire of London, which disaster also cleansed the city of the plague, has not been identified as a recurring comet. www.ianridpath.com/halley/halley2.htm
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Post by paul on Jul 5, 2013 12:03:36 GMT 9.5
So are you staying that the Blazing Star is not actually as star but a comet gone forever?
Does that the mysterious ladder veiled by Jacob's Ladder then lead nowhere?
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Post by William Preston on Jul 5, 2013 12:41:55 GMT 9.5
So are you staying that the Blazing Star is not actually as star but a comet gone forever? Does that the mysterious ladder veiled by Jacob's Ladder then lead nowhere? As repeatedly stated. The ladder was a late inclusion to Freemasonry introduced by William Preston (1742 - 1818) as a vehicle for his notion of Masonic morality.
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Post by paul on Jul 6, 2013 6:49:20 GMT 9.5
..The ladder was a late inclusion to Freemasonry introduced by William Preston (1742 - 1818) as a vehicle for his notion of Masonic morality. It is possible that the ladder comes from the ancient mysteries - there are quite a lot of examples of ladders in the ancient mysteries. What is the function of the ladder in the mysteries?
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Post by paul on Jul 6, 2013 10:26:32 GMT 9.5
So are you staying that the Blazing Star is not actually as star but a comet gone forever? I didn't quite get your position on this.
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Post by paul on Jul 6, 2013 10:44:21 GMT 9.5
..strong emotional reactions keep some from feeling undead A topic for a new thread! I will contemplate it.
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Post by stepnwolf on Jul 6, 2013 11:26:44 GMT 9.5
In “La Reception Mysterieuse” (The Mysterious Reception), the 1738 French translation of “Masonry Dissected,” Samuel Pritchard’s 1730 exposure, “blazing star” is explicitly taken to mean “comet.” Why? Because that is what “blazing star” explicitly meant at the time. I am curious about this French translation cited above. Presumably the text is taken from the questions and answers of the first degree: Q. Have you any Furniture in your Lodge? A. Yes. Q. What is it? A. Mosaick Pavement, Blazing Star and Indented Tarsel. Q. What are they? A. Mosaick Pavement, the Ground Floor of the Lodge, Blazing Star the Centre, and Indented Tarsel the Border round about it. There is no mention of a comet here. Is it possible that a helpful French Bro. interpolated the comet as an amplification of the term "Blazing Star the Centre?" The suggestion that "Blazing Star" meant comet is not supported by the sources available to me. The English word and the French (comète) both come from the Greek κομήτης (komētēs), referring to comet's tail which looks like long hairs. There doesn't seem to be the need to substitute "comet" for "star." The Blazing Star in English Lodges seems stationary with rays of light extending from the center. A comet would be moving and probably have hairs moving off in the same direction.
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Post by paul on Jul 6, 2013 13:25:13 GMT 9.5
At the risk of stating the obvious: "The Ancient Greeks believed that the appearance of Sirius heralded the hot and dry summer, and feared its effects on making plants wilt, men weaken and women become aroused. Due to its brightness, Sirius would have been noted to twinkle more in the unsettled weather conditions of early summer. .....It was described as 'burning' or 'flaming' in literature." www.summagallicana.it/lessico/c/canicola.htm"Aratus, Phaenomena 328 ff (trans. Mair) (Greek astronomical poem C3rd B.C.) : "A star that keenest of all blazes with a searing flame and him men call Seirios." Thus Sirius was described as a burning, flaming or blazing star. "The Flaming Star is one of the essential symbols of the fellowcraft in Freemasonry. Its arms represent the 5 directions of research of the degree and comprehend the number that is present for those who aspire to be received as Master Masons." luzoriente.blogspot.com.au/2009/03/flaming-star.html
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Post by LorrB on Jul 6, 2013 13:54:05 GMT 9.5
If one takes the Blazing Star as a symbol, rather than a reality, then what you say above stepnwolf could all refer to the 'temple of Earth. The blazing star might represent the 'molten core', the pavement the duality of the four forces which govern our physical world, and the guardian wall might be equated to the natural shield which encompasses our globe. The ladder ... at this level of understanding might refer to matter can neither be created nor destroyed ... it all goes round in circles ... circumambulated if you like Ascending, descending, ascending again etc. Why am I thinking of compost heaps Why am I now wondering about the Jesus story of how after death He first descended into 'hell' and only then ascended into 'heaven'. Do we leave or gift something of ourselves to the Earth before we travel on?
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Post by LorrB on Jul 6, 2013 13:59:38 GMT 9.5
... should I have said Mother Earth, we being sons of ....
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Post by John Milton on Jul 6, 2013 21:09:01 GMT 9.5
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