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Post by stewartedwards on Jun 29, 2013 22:06:35 GMT 9.5
You would damn us for our effort? I would damn those who state nonsensical fantasy as established fact. Such as accounts of Pleiadian founders, laden with pernicious agendas. Alcoyne, this is just a thought, and I am not suggesting it is the case, but consider the possibility of (go on suspend disbelief for a moment ):- 1. Assume that 10000 years ago some said visitors did pop here for a nose about. (just assume - scientists do it all the time) 2. Now consider would it be possible for a father to tell his son, and for his son to tell his son (or people initiated into secrets) some things. 3. As the millennia pass, is it not possible that this knowledge is continually handed down? 4. Is it not possible that this knowledge might be hidden in parts of Freemasonry today? Simply because those people joined and created a side order/lodge to help enable them transmit said knowledge for future generations in relative safety? so: 5. It might be true but true for only a part of the masonic world. Remember Alcyone masons have said that me receiving the fpof in a meeting in UGLEs GQS HQ to be "nonsensical fantasy/misunderstanding/lies". yet it happened. Confirmed independently when I phoned a msonic friend as I approached Covent Garden tube as it dawned on me what has just happened. Sometimes Alcyone the impossible is actually factually correct [remember when Jules Verne wrote "Paris in the Twentieth century" in the mid 19th century his publishers rejected it for being nonsense - all that talk about electric street lights and fax machines - I mean complete and utter nonsense.] Out of interest how would you cope should Pleiadians walk out of a ufo in masonic regalia, saying "Hi folks whats been happening since we gave you this" My point Alcyone, which I hope you are getting, is that unless you are in every order of every fraternity you simply cannot know for a fact that you are correct here. You might not like it, but you cannot know for a fact. As they say in intelligence circles "you can not know what you do not know" in relation to different levels of security clearance and compartmentalisation.
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 29, 2013 22:26:44 GMT 9.5
You would damn us for our effort? I would damn those who state nonsensical fantasy as established fact. Such as accounts of Pleiadian founders, laden with pernicious agendas. Dear Alcyone, I think on this point we do agree in essence. In my belief system I don't need Pleiadian founders (whoever they be), but the idea doesn't motivate the righteous indignation you display. I don't need vegetables from Venus or a Mahachohan with a weakness for micro-management, but these are ideas from Brothers whom I respect and I feel I must extend that much respect to their ideas. To borrow a page from your own book. "Respect for the fragility and importance of an individual life is still the mark of an educated man" Norman Cousins. For some respect has to be earned, for others it is a fact of life. I respect you, although your ...ah... interruptions are annoying. Some of your thoughts are stimulating though your manner... well we won't talk about that any more. I will continue to appeal to your masonic ideals of brotherhood. To the outside (namely me) your concerns for the reputation of Freemasonry may be simply a smokescreen which hide more personal reasons. Like my old shrink used to say, “where there is affect there is kink.” Where is your kink?
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Post by LorrB on Jun 30, 2013 8:03:14 GMT 9.5
The Pleiades are a group of stars referred to in the Bible as having a sweet influence. The grouping of stars on some First TBs are in the same formation as The Pleiades.
That of course does not indicate that the founders came from there ... nor the Sun, nor the Moon lol
However ... why do the Sun, Moon, Stars grouped, blazing, five and six pointed, and the entire Zodiac feature strongly in Freemasonry? It is a mystery. And for those that say there is no mystery attached? They might never in truth go beyond the Second Degree ... wherein we are told explicitly to attempt to discover the secrets and mysteries of Nature and Science.
I place emphasis on the word ATTEMPT.
When we are trying and come to an insurmountable object (cliffs) ... one WILL find that there are those stationed there to assist your further progress.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 30, 2013 8:13:34 GMT 9.5
Re our kinky visitor ... his whole objective is to close this forum down, and at the very least to force us to make visitors sign up to view. This will not happen.
I am continually banning him but he keeps changing IP addresses. My computer knowledge is limited. All that I can see what to do is to keep banning him and deleting his nastier posts. Please bear with me ... and ignore the nasties till I can get to them and delete them.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 30, 2013 11:57:45 GMT 9.5
Re our kinky visitor ... his whole objective is to close this forum down, and at the very least to force us to make visitors sign up to view. This will not happen. I am continually banning him but he keeps changing IP addresses. My computer knowledge is limited. All that I can see what to do is to keep banning him and deleting his nastier posts. Please bear with me ... and ignore the nasties till I can get to them and delete them. Change of mind .... I will now delete all of his posts until further notice. Derision and ridicule we can do without.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 1, 2013 1:22:34 GMT 9.5
The Ashmolean Museum in Oxford England is a fascinating place. Part of the university, and a place which has enabled me investigate the hidden mysteries as I enjoyed the exhibits. For those who don't know it has recently been redeveloped and glass has replaced open shelving. Personally I much preferred its older layout, especially in the Egyptian galleries (a lot of 18th dynasty bits and bobs there) which for me, has a more connective atmosphere. A view that I am aware some others share. However I am told that those who have a keen interest in Egyptology and who funded it all were very careful and precise about what they wanted, so I can only thank them for keeping the displays freely available to everyone. Some parts of the masonic world are open about Egyptian connections, other parts say that is nonsense. Different parts of the family squabbling, nothing new there. Still with those Egyptian Goddesses on the inside of UGLEs GL doors (funny it is the old testament outer side that gets mentioned most often). Still inside those doors reveal valuable clues. Actually I found those panels to be the most comforting part of UGLE Grand Lodge - it is grand, plush, symbolic, but it is those doors as seen from the inside of the Grand Lodge that took my breath away. Other parts of the masonic world are just more open to that aspect. I mean why does UGLE have this inside its GL Temple? Decorative Art? Possibly. Now a possible tie in, to tease visitors here. It is 18th Dynasty Akhenaton artefacts that the Ashmolean is full off (and remember Ashmole was a mason before UGLE was ever dreamed of). Akhenaton was the first to say "One God." He was written out of history for a while by those who wanted to worship many gods. Then 1500 years or so later Jesus walked this earth saying much the same thing. Then a few hundred years later Christianity began to flourish. Now large parts of the masonic world today insist you believe in a "supreme being - (ie one God above all other). Sort of poetic to me. Perhaps that part of the masonic world should treasure the historic roots of that belief more fully? And that lies firmly at the door of 18th Dynastic Egypt. Those the priests of Karnak would not be pleased. Just remember the Egyptian Goddesses (plural) on the inside of those big brass UGLE grand lodge doors. Added: Does anyone have a link to a good explanation of the Egyptian goddess symbolism on the inside of UGLE GL temple doors? the outside is everywhere but the inside - the only account I have had is from a guide, who seemed uneasy at talking about them (but to be fair to him he kindly did) but that was years ago now.
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Post by not so on Jul 1, 2013 11:53:46 GMT 9.5
Just remember the Egyptian Goddesses (plural) on the inside of those big brass UGLE grand lodge doors. 8D Added: Does anyone have a link to a good explanation of the Egyptian goddess symbolism on the inside of UGLE GL temple doors? the outside is everywhere but the inside - the only account I have had is from a guide, who seemed uneasy at talking about them (but to be fair to him he kindly did) but that was years ago now. Egyptian, really?
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 1, 2013 15:24:36 GMT 9.5
Well that didn't work did it - teach me to post as a guest. Lets try again.
Perhaps I am having a senior moment. I guess that I must be misremembering or mixing up with somewhere else, if so apologies. But for clarity can you post a picture of the whole door please? A partial picture is just a partial picture.
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Post by wholev door on Jul 1, 2013 16:54:46 GMT 9.5
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 1, 2013 19:45:15 GMT 9.5
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Post by v on Jul 1, 2013 19:49:09 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Jul 3, 2013 7:58:20 GMT 9.5
That is a very kind thought foxfires, however I will just keep the finger of the delete trigger. I rather suspect our guest keeps coming here for more knowledge, even if he does not like what he learns And he does make some good posts from time to time, I looked for the doors above and couldn't find them. They are magnificent aren't they.
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Post by the elusive intruded on Jul 3, 2013 16:53:56 GMT 9.5
Change of mind .... I will now delete all of his posts until further notice. Derision and ridicule we can do without. Lorr, Do you have a pay pal account where the ones who love and appreciate you can provide you funding to help defend against the elusive intruded who care to only cause God's loving children grief, and make life difficult for people who or do not agree with it an only appreciates ones with stronger ego's than its self If LorrB doesn't want your money I'll take it. No strings attached
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 4, 2013 5:02:39 GMT 9.5
stewartedwards, My Brother From the post of Jun 30, 2013 at 10:52am And from this thread I was curious if you have spent time reading the Emerald Tablets of Thoth lately? Hi Foxfires No. Is the short and simple answer. Why?
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 4, 2013 7:13:15 GMT 9.5
When you ask Why I go back to reading you post: Added: Does anyone have a link to a good explanation of the Egyptian goddess symbolism on the inside of UGLE GL temple doors? the outside is everywhere but the inside - the only account I have had is from a guide, who seemed uneasy at talking about them (but to be fair to him he kindly did) but that was years ago now. But almost sense I have worn through some of your patience. So I realize some other things too Foxfires, you have mentioned this before off forum let me assure you again that in absolutely no way have you "worn through some of my patience." I will confess to be being a little bewildered why you think this. You baffle me sometimes, make me smile at others, even confuse me at times, but if I really am causing you such disharmony then please accept my apology. Sorry. Life is too short foxfires. post away, ask questions, generate thought, go for it girl.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 4, 2013 8:44:10 GMT 9.5
I think you can access The Emerald Tablets on the Internet for free ... if interested.
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Post by paul on Jul 4, 2013 8:52:18 GMT 9.5
You would damn us for our effort? I would damn those who state nonsensical fantasy as established fact. Such as accounts of Pleiadian founders, laden with pernicious agendas. I was speaking to a Maori the other day who said that she was taught that the Maori were descended from star people from the Pleiades - and recently the Maori have been celebrating their New Year based on the rising of the Pleiades.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 4, 2013 16:22:55 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Jul 4, 2013 16:30:22 GMT 9.5
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Post by Alcyone on Jul 4, 2013 18:35:34 GMT 9.5
Do you still maintain that Freemasonry came from and is still centred in the Pleiades?
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