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Post by paul on Dec 4, 2012 8:05:49 GMT 9.5
The candidate for initiation is said to be seeking the mysteries and privileges of ancient Freemasonry.
What are they?
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Post by LorrB on Dec 5, 2012 11:52:35 GMT 9.5
I think the mysteries relate to the inner spiritual life and the privileges part is when direct communications are established with that which is superior who slowly reveal the ways and means by which man can attain, or unfold, his latent divinity.
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Post by paul on Dec 5, 2012 12:12:21 GMT 9.5
>mysteries relate to the inner spiritual life
What if ancient brethren knew more about TMH, for example whence he came?
>privileges part is when direct communications are established with that which is superior
Is sitting in an assembly of genuine (rather than ritual) Masons an example?
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Post by stewart edwards on Dec 7, 2012 6:56:20 GMT 9.5
Masons have left keys and signposts from past centuries for people like me (at least) to find.
1. Know yourself 2. Reconnect 3. Experience.
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Post by paul on Dec 7, 2012 7:17:10 GMT 9.5
>1. Know yourself >2. Reconnect >3. Experience.
Those are available to anyone, so what are the mysteries and privileges held by ancient Freemasons?
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Post by paul on May 11, 2013 7:01:45 GMT 9.5
I find it interesting that although the candidate is described as seeking the mysteries and privileges of ancient freemasonry, no one seems to know what they might be.
The best explanation that is offered is generic to all spiritual paths. Are there no mysteries and privileges that can be said to be specific to Masonry?
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Post by paul on May 28, 2013 7:38:47 GMT 9.5
Were some of the genuine secrets made known to the EA in times gone by?
For example in Civilisation One, we are shown (slightly obliquely) how the furnishings of a Scottish lodge can be used to determine measures of time, length and weight, any where in the world with considerable accuracy.
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Post by Mason word on May 28, 2013 20:25:10 GMT 9.5
Were some of the genuine secrets made known to the EA in times gone by? Before our trigradal system was the bigradal system and before that the monogradal system consisted of nothing more than communicating the mason word.
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Post by paul on May 28, 2013 20:35:32 GMT 9.5
>Before our trigradal system was the bigradal system
I take it that "our" refers to the London Masons of 1717.
It always surprises me that the London Masons only discovered the ancient landmark of 3 degrees around 1725. Who told them and what was his authority?
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Post by Ecce homo on May 28, 2013 20:41:58 GMT 9.5
Who told them and what was his authority? Whoever, the answer is rooted in humanity.
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Post by paul on May 28, 2013 20:52:36 GMT 9.5
Whoever it was knew more about Masonry than the London Masons of 1717. Did he have the genuine secrets? Did the London Masons hide their ignorance by writing new Masonic histories claiming the loss was back in ancient times.
Blavatsky writes that in her time there were no Masonic lodges with the genuine secrets. Her phrasing does not exclude individual Masons with those secrets.
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Post by milieu on May 28, 2013 21:18:50 GMT 9.5
Whoever it was knew more about Masonry than the London Masons of 1717. Did he have the genuine secrets? Did the London Masons hide their ignorance by writing new Masonic histories claiming the loss was back in ancient times. Blavatsky writes that in her time there were no Masonic lodges with the genuine secrets. Her phrasing does not exclude individual Masons with those secrets. Nothing arises from a vacuum. In the milieu of the time following the Wars of Religion, with Huguenot and other émigrés enriching London society, romanticised Egypto-mania was rife, hermeticism was in vogue, Rosicrucianism was sought and prolific dramaturges were producing masques, of which the newly formed degrees were examples. Gentlemen antiquarians reporting on mason lodges provided a theme which proved popular with the gentry returning from the European Grand Tour with an enthusiasm for the architecture they had witnessed.
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Post by paul on May 29, 2013 7:51:20 GMT 9.5
>Nothing arises from a vacuum.
Quite so.
Did the Masonic rituals of the 18th century contain Egyptian references that should not have been known until the hieroglyphs were translated in the following century?
How did the Mithraic influences appear in Masonic ritual?
How did the Sumerian influences appear before cuneiform was translated?
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Post by Berossus on May 29, 2013 17:09:57 GMT 9.5
>Nothing arises from a vacuum. Quite so. Did the Masonic rituals of the 18th century contain Egyptian references that should not have been known until the hieroglyphs were translated in the following century? How did the Mithraic influences appear in Masonic ritual? How did the Sumerian influences appear before cuneiform was translated? If anything Champollion's work quashed much of the speculative and overly romantic Egypto-mania of the previous century. Antiquarians such as Bro. Elias Ashmole were interested in the Ancient Mysteries. There are Sumerian influences in the Bible and Berossus wrote a Greek version of the Epic of Gilgamesh in the 3rd Century B.C.E. which was well known.
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Post by paul on May 29, 2013 17:58:42 GMT 9.5
Then you are content.
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Post by Alcyone on May 29, 2013 21:23:17 GMT 9.5
Are you? Or do you still maintain Freemasonry comes from the Pleiades?
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Post by paul on May 30, 2013 7:42:35 GMT 9.5
>Or do you still maintain Freemasonry comes from the Pleiades?
In my view Masonry is sponsored by the Blazing Star.
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2013 9:16:46 GMT 9.5
If anything Champollion's work quashed much of the speculative and overly romantic Egypto-mania of the previous century. Antiquarians such as Bro. Elias Ashmole were interested in the Ancient Mysteries. There are Sumerian influences in the Bible and Berossus wrote a Greek version of the Epic of Gilgamesh in the 3rd Century B.C.E. which was well known. Bro Elias Ashmole - and the Ashmolean Museum. 1646 The first documented making of an English Freemason, Elias Ashmole, at Warrington in 1646 The Magus of Freemasonry: The Mysterious Life of Elias Ashmole--Scientist, Alchemist, and Founder of the Royal Society. www.goodreads.com/book/show/16291.The_Magus_of_FreemasonryAshmole was the link between John Dee and Isaac Newton. The strange relationship between Newton and the complex fringes of the Hermeticism of the epoch has long been unknown, and even concealed. The official biographies have mostly kept silent about this side of Newton.
Loup Verlet writes of the conditions of the “miraculous” discovery of Newton’s unpublished manuscripts. Put in a stack in 1696 when he was leaving the directorship of the mint in London, they escaped the burning of his personal documents arranged just after his death. They were discovered two centuries later and put up at auction in 1936. John Maynard Keynes won the manuscripts and revealed that Newton was not only the “first physicist” but also the “last magician.” The haul included several alchemical works, the bulk of them now at Cambridge, some at the University of Jerusalem, and others in private collections. According to Verlet, Newton’s known work comprises 1.4 million words relating to theology, 550,000 on alchemy, 150,000 on monetary affairs, and one million on scientific problems.
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/book_bauer.html
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2013 9:32:49 GMT 9.5
It seems that one of the privileges of Freemasonry is FREEDOM OF THOUGHT. Isaac Newton's Freemasonry
An exploration of how modern Freemasonry enabled Isaac Newton and his like-minded contemporaries to flourish
• Shows that Freemasonry, as a mystical order, was conceived as something new--an amalgam of alchemy and science that had little to do with operative Freemasonry
• Reveals how Newton and his friends crafted this “speculative,” symbolic Freemasonry as a model for the future of England
• Connects Rosslyn Chapel, Henry Sinclair, and the Invisible College to Newton and his role in 17th-century Freemasonry
Freemasonry, as a fraternal order of scientists and philosophers, emerged in the 17th century and represented something new--an amalgam of alchemy and science that allowed the creative genius of Isaac Newton and his contemporaries to flourish. In Isaac Newton’s Freemasonry, Alain Bauer presents the swirl of historical, sociological, and religious influences that sparked the spiritual ferment and transformation of that time. His research shows that Freemasonry represented a crossroads between science and spirituality and became the vehicle for promoting spiritual and intellectual egalitarianism. Isaac Newton was seminal in the “invention” of this new form of Freemasonry, which allowed Newton and other like-minded associates to free themselves of the church’s monopoly on the intellectual milieu of the time.
This form of Freemasonry created an ideological blueprint that sought to move England beyond the civil wars generated by its religious conflicts to a society with scientific progress as its foundation and standard. The “science” of these men was rooted in the Hermetic tradition and included alchemy and even elements of magic. Yet, in contrast to the endless reinterpretations of church doctrine that fueled the conflicts ravaging England, this new society of Accepted Freemasons provided an intellectual haven and creative crucible for scientific and political progress. This book reveals the connections of Rosslyn Chapel, Henry Sinclair, and the Invisible College to Newton’s role in 17th-century Freemasonry and opens unexplored trails into the history of Freemasonry in Europe.
store.innertraditions.com/isbn/978-1-59477-172-9
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Post by Alcyone on May 30, 2013 18:28:53 GMT 9.5
In my view Masonry is sponsored by the Blazing Star. What in your opinion is the Blazing Star known as among astronomers?
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