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Post by paul on May 30, 2013 18:30:34 GMT 9.5
A translation back into Greek will make it clear.
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Post by evasive on May 30, 2013 18:42:17 GMT 9.5
What in your opinion is the Blazing Star known as among astronomers?
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Post by paul on May 30, 2013 18:46:23 GMT 9.5
If you are really desperate to discover that star - you could look at the night sky for a blazing star
Otherwise you could read the thread about the blazing star.
Here is a quote from it:
"The Koran (Qur’an) makes a special point of calling God (Allah) the Lord of Sirius. “…He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star)” (Sura 70:4, “The Star”)"
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Post by evsive on May 30, 2013 18:49:14 GMT 9.5
"The Koran (Qur’an) makes a special point of calling God (Allah) the Lord of Sirius. “…He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star)” (Sura 70:4, “The Star”)" Do you identify the Blazing Star with Sirius?
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Post by paul on May 30, 2013 19:05:48 GMT 9.5
Am I so important that it matters what I think?
Each of us is able to choose his own belief and test the belief or hold to it in the faith according to his inclination.
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Post by stepnwolf on May 31, 2013 4:38:20 GMT 9.5
>1. Know yourself >2. Reconnect >3. Experience. Those are available to anyone, so what are the mysteries and privileges held by ancient Freemasons? One privilege is merely to sit in a L. of Brn of similar mind. The mystery is that something special happens in such a L. We are touched by Beauty, we are inspired by Wisdom and called after Truth. Outside the L. we may sit with wealth and fame but it cannot be compared with what we have in a L.
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Post by paul on May 31, 2013 7:19:48 GMT 9.5
>One privilege is merely to sit in a L. of Brn of similar mind.
I agree that is one. What others might there be?
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Post by premises on Jun 1, 2013 10:07:37 GMT 9.5
Am I so important that it matters what I think? You hold an important place on this forum and it is important that the visiting public understands your premises so as to be able to evaluate the worth or otherwise of those opinions you state as matters of fact.
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Post by paul on Jun 1, 2013 10:36:13 GMT 9.5
I had under-estimated my importance to you and the public.
As for evaluating my opinions - all can be tested by those who are prepared to learn to perceive the inner worlds.
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Post by occupation on Jun 1, 2013 20:50:20 GMT 9.5
What is your occupation and does your disdain for reason as expressed here also apply to your work?
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Post by paul on Jun 2, 2013 6:21:27 GMT 9.5
Personal attacks are not permitted.
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Post by paul on Jun 2, 2013 7:29:38 GMT 9.5
For those ever concerned about the Pleiades here is HPB: " the Pleiades are the central group of the system of sidereal symbology. ..... The Pleiades (Alcyone, especially), are thus considered, even in astronomy, as the central point around which our Universe of fixed stars revolves, the focus from which, and into which the divine breath, Motion, works incessantly during the Manvantara.." www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd2-2-09.htmSome EA TBs correctly depict the Pleiades - as of course does Blake in his Jacob's Ladder. Other TBs equally correctly depict the sacred planets on the ecliptic. Other TBs just have some starry points. Thus we have learned one of the privileges of ancient Masonry - to sit in the influence of the Pleiades. And we have learned another of the privileges - to sit in the influence of the Spirits of 7 sacred planets (the Brethren who would make our lodges perfect if they would visit)
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Post by stepnwolf on Jun 3, 2013 6:25:01 GMT 9.5
The candidate for initiation is said to be seeking the mysteries and privileges of ancient Freemasonry. What are they? It's always good to start with definitions, isn't it? My understanding of the word Mysteries in this context is a body of lore relating to the nature of man and the seen and unseen universe, which is revealed by stages or degrees to those who by initiation are qualified to know them. Organizations, schools, fellowships have developed over history to reveal to initiates their peculiar understanding of the same mysteries. In all of these fraternities (of both sexes, btw) the purpose of study is the same: the revelation of the unknown aspects of man and universe. What distinguishes one group from another is 1) that part of the unknown the group studies and 2) the steps or grades used in the revelation. For example, the symbols of the Eleusinian mysteries seemed to be originally agricultural at the beginning of its history. It developed into something much more encompassing with time, drawing membership from the masses of Athenian citizenship. In the Lesser Mysteries members became mystae or Initiates. There was an intermediary stage that qualified them for the Greater Mysteries. The whole experience could be summarized in three words: descent (loss), search, ascent. It does seem that the mysteries of Freemasonry share a great deal with the other mystery schools of the world. Perhaps its only distinctive feature are the tools, which are drawn from the building trade.
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Post by paul on Jun 3, 2013 7:17:36 GMT 9.5
It may be historically correct to consider whether the Sons of Light (from various traditions) found it useful to conceal themselves within the politically and religiously correct organisations of stone masons and cloaked their teachings in suitable form.
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Post by LorrB on Jun 3, 2013 8:26:11 GMT 9.5
In all of these fraternities (of both sexes, btw) the purpose of study is the same: the revelation of the unknown aspects of man and universe. What distinguishes one group from another is 1) that part of the unknown the group studies and 2) the steps or grades used in the revelation. Some of these unknown aspects of man and the universe might prove rather surprising... unbelievable even.
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Post by unbelievable even on Jun 3, 2013 17:53:59 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2013 9:07:31 GMT 9.5
I am wondering when and whence the FPoF entered Masonry. It looks like it might be a late entry - presumably unknown to the London Masons of 1717 - but the practice is sufficiently profound that it must be older.
Are there any representations in the ancient traditions that might refer to the FPoF?
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Post by non sequitur on Jun 5, 2013 15:50:05 GMT 9.5
....but the practice is sufficiently profound that it must be older. The Dark Ages premised that all wisdom was from the past. This prescribed a slavish and uncritical attachment to old ideas. The Enlightenment, of which Freemasonry was an expression, premised that the best was yet to come and favoured rational new opinions.
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Post by paul on Jun 5, 2013 20:32:58 GMT 9.5
>The Dark Ages premised that all wisdom was from the past.
I think you may find that the Dark Ages only existed as darkness in the minds of the historians.
>The Enlightenment, of which Freemasonry was an expression, premised that the best was yet to come
So is the best yet to come in Freemasonry?
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Post by holy inquisition on Jun 6, 2013 18:41:32 GMT 9.5
>The Dark Ages premised that all wisdom was from the past. I think you may find that the Dark Ages only existed as darkness in the minds of the historians. The Dark Ages were not uniform. Always there were pockets of light. Where the ecclesiastical authorities were strongest darkness prevailed.
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