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Post by paul on Jan 29, 2012 15:50:43 GMT 9.5
.... if you are karmically destined to, say, have a rock fall on your head.... one way or the other, one must receive that hit on the head! ...... I rather doubt that karma necessarily works in that way - although it is fair to say that in the absence of transmutation, the karmic energy is likely to attract similar events over a number of incarnations. Karma operates to resolve itself - being a pain in the body of the Lord of the Plane aka The Recording Angel. The means of resolution is optional. I recall meeting a friend of a friend who was involved in a serious family situation .... Remarkably, after that, she had no further difficulty... This seems to demonstrate that it is possible to transmute karma and avoid attracting needless repetitions of the rock on the head etc.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 9:35:44 GMT 9.5
There is the belief held by some that if one reviews the day in proper manner and realizes where one might have acted in a more fitting manner that that recognition resolves the need for karma as a working tool. In more grave matters I guess one would still have to make reparation for unforseen repercussions.
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2012 9:48:18 GMT 9.5
Reviewing is very valuable because it provides opportunities to detach from events, change attitudes and relationships, and even to withdraw energy from the karmic patterns.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 30, 2012 11:58:44 GMT 9.5
.... if you are karmically destined to, say, have a rock fall on your head.... one way or the other, one must receive that hit on the head! ...... I rather doubt that karma necessarily works in that way - although it is fair to say that in the absence of transmutation, the karmic energy is likely to attract similar events over a number of incarnations. Actually it DOES work that way; we are assured of this by-who else?- Shri Ramakrishna. Actually, it was his WIFE, Shri Sarada Devi, a manifestation of God the Mother in her own right, who spoke of this. She spoke to Mahendranath Gupta, the author of "The Gospel of Shri Ramakrishna" of his death, and told him plainly that there was no escaping the fact that he would have to suffer before dying: "A little suffering will have to be endured" was the gist of her words to him. Physical suffering endured patiently and without recrimination actually "pays off karma", in fact. If you want a good "karmic primer" you may want to check out the Bhagavad-Gita, which speaks at some length on the topic.Karma operates to resolve itself - being a pain in the body of the Lord of the Plane aka The Recording Angel. The means of resolution is optional. Somebody once told me that "God created karma, then sat back to watch the fun". If one wishes to understand karma, one must turn to the Hindu teachings on the subject. It is, after all a concept that rightfully belongs to that tradition, and has been elucidated there at much length. The word itself actually means "work" or "action". I recall meeting a friend of a friend who was involved in a serious family situation .... Remarkably, after that, she had no further difficulty... This seems to demonstrate that it is possible to transmute karma and avoid attracting needless repetitions of the rock on the head etc. Of course it is possible to transmute karma, but only when one is spiritually evolved enough to consciously and willingly participate... I do not think that karma was so much 'transmuted' in this case as it was a change to the perspective of the participants; the karmic drama was simply brought into consciousness and acknowledged, and was no longer churning around in the background, fostering discontent and misunderstandings between people who did not realize that they were "working out family karma".
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Post by LorrB on Jan 30, 2012 12:11:25 GMT 9.5
What if Shri Ramakrishna was wrong? (Not saying that he was - just asking about what if..)
Is it possible for any human to be 100% right all the time? Just a thought.
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2012 12:41:01 GMT 9.5
...If one wishes to understand karma, one must turn to the Hindu teachings on the subject. ... And having read the texts, hopefully the spiritual scientist is able to investigate the evidence directly and carry out operations as negotiated with the Lords of Karma. .. It is, after all a concept that rightfully belongs to that tradition I would have hoped that some knowledge of the inner workings of Existence was present even before the Hindus established their literature
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 31, 2012 13:11:52 GMT 9.5
What if Shri Ramakrishna was wrong? (Not saying that he was - just asking about what if..) Is it possible for any human to be 100% right all the time? Just a thought. Actually I should say that it was not "Shri Ramakrishna" who gave out teaching, it was the Mother of the Universe Herself who spoke through him. He was so ego-free, he never referred to himself as "I'; it was always "this place" or "here". Thus he was the perfect 'channel" for That which spoke through him. He often emphasized: "It is not 'I' who teaches, but "Mother"; I know nothing. She it is Who tells me what to say when people ask me questions." Thus we are assured of the power and truth of this great holy man's teachings. I strongly recommend that people seeking "light" (no matter their religious leanings) check him out for themselves; I myself have never found his equal anywhere in terms of "light" on thorny theological matters, or on effective methods for "getting in touch with God." Once a learned man came to Ramakrishna for advice; he was deeply troubled but could not pray because he could not be sure there was a God! Ramakrishna advised him: "Then why not pray like this: 'If Thou art, then please listen to my prayer' !" A short time later the man returned, weeping, and touched Ramakrishna's feet saying "You have saved me!"
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 31, 2012 13:14:55 GMT 9.5
Reviewing is very valuable because it provides opportunities to detach from events, change attitudes and relationships, and even to withdraw energy from the karmic patterns. I agree, absolutely. As Coleridge said: If one does not possess a capacity for reflection, to what purpose is one human?
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Post by brandt on Jan 31, 2012 15:21:27 GMT 9.5
If I stopped using the word "I" would I immediately be right in all things?
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 1, 2012 1:30:44 GMT 9.5
If you stopped using any and all words it would be immediately easier to take you seriously.
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Post by paul on Feb 1, 2012 5:15:42 GMT 9.5
Respect is necessary for all sentient forms.
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Post by Henka on Feb 1, 2012 7:10:49 GMT 9.5
Respect is necessary for all sentient forms. What he said.
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Post by brandt on Feb 2, 2012 13:47:41 GMT 9.5
If you stopped using any and all words it would be immediately easier to take you seriously. That is why I like you. You would not use any forum to attack anyone.
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2012 13:51:14 GMT 9.5
Ok that is enough of attacks. All parties please move on.
Deletions apply without warning or further explanation.
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Post by brandt on Feb 2, 2012 13:56:53 GMT 9.5
Brother that was not an attack on my part. Her post stands as it is and I would hope that you would not delete it, I am not injured. That is my opinion of course, this is your forum.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 2, 2012 14:51:23 GMT 9.5
I rather doubt that karma necessarily works in that way - although it is fair to say that in the absence of transmutation, the karmic energy is likely to attract similar events over a number of incarnations. Actually it DOES work that way; we are assured of this by-who else?- Shri Ramakrishna. Actually, it was his WIFE, Shri Sarada Devi, a manifestation of God the Mother in her own right, who spoke of this. She spoke to Mahendranath Gupta, the author of "The Gospel of Shri Ramakrishna" of his death, and told him plainly that there was no escaping the fact that he would have to suffer before dying: "A little suffering will have to be endured" was the gist of her words to him. Physical suffering endured patiently and without recrimination actually "pays off karma", in fact. If you want a good "karmic primer" you may want to check out the Bhagavad-Gita, which speaks at some length on the topic.Karma operates to resolve itself - being a pain in the body of the Lord of the Plane aka The Recording Angel. The means of resolution is optional. Somebody once told me that "God created karma, then sat back to watch the fun". If one wishes to understand karma, one must turn to the Hindu teachings on the subject. It is, after all a concept that rightfully belongs to that tradition, and has been elucidated there at much length. The word itself actually means "work" or "action". I recall meeting a friend of a friend who was involved in a serious family situation .... Remarkably, after that, she had no further difficulty... This seems to demonstrate that it is possible to transmute karma and avoid attracting needless repetitions of the rock on the head etc. Of course it is possible to transmute karma, but only when one is spiritually evolved enough to consciously and willingly participate... I do not think that karma was so much 'transmuted' in this case as it was a change to the perspective of the participants; the karmic drama was simply brought into consciousness and acknowledged, and was no longer churning around in the background, fostering discontent and misunderstandings between people who did not realize that they were "working out family karma".Moving right along, I just stumbled upon what I thought was an appropriate quote from Jung that summed the situation I described quite neatly:"That which is not brought into conscious awareness is enacted outside one's self as 'fate' " That summed up the situation quite well; once the woman was made aware that the whole drama between her and her husband, and involving the child that they both created was not "their" mundane little drama but a "working-out of karma on a grand scale" the whole situation between them was "defused" .
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2012 15:00:37 GMT 9.5
... quote from Jung that summed the situation I described quite neatly:"That which is not brought into conscious awareness is enacted outside one's self as 'fate' " ..... That is pretty fair statement. It reminds me of Wilhelm Reich's (?) proposition that suppression of sexuality generates an experience of external temptation. That makes me wonder whether some similar mechanism operates with respect to free will. For example, does the suppression of personal will in the human result in the desire for greater external authority?
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Post by brandt on Feb 2, 2012 15:02:09 GMT 9.5
Jung was also looking forward to the time that his hypotheses could be tested. He was a great therapist but could not quantify why. Are we not seeking truth?
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2012 15:07:08 GMT 9.5
I seem to recall that Jung had a mistress who did the conceptual work while Jung did the experiential.
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Post by brandt on Feb 2, 2012 15:23:31 GMT 9.5
There may be a story about that. In any case Jung was well ahead of his time. Luckily there are some that have been examining his hypotheses through the benefit of our contemporary knowledge and technology.
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