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Post by Delmore Schwartz on Dec 16, 2011 14:11:50 GMT 9.5
... the dynamic, psychobiological forces of the daimonic ... Would you like to give specific examples? Existentialism means that no one else can take a bath for you
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Post by paul on Dec 16, 2011 14:19:41 GMT 9.5
Would you like to give specific examples? Existentialism means that no one else can take a bath for you Do we then have a theory that generates no real life cases? Time to move on?
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Post by Winston Churchill on Dec 16, 2011 14:27:12 GMT 9.5
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
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Post by paul on Dec 16, 2011 15:35:34 GMT 9.5
That could be a good move.
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Post by brandt on Dec 16, 2011 23:14:54 GMT 9.5
I am not sure what you mean.
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Post by paul on Dec 17, 2011 4:55:05 GMT 9.5
You can see the process in the thread and decide for yourself if I was leading the witness excessively.
I am of course careful to limit my visualisation while the witness is looking for him/her self to keep to a minimum any telepathic assistance.
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Post by brandt on Dec 17, 2011 6:50:14 GMT 9.5
It is your claim Brother. I am just looking for clarity.
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Post by Charles Osgood on Dec 21, 2011 8:17:54 GMT 9.5
That is an absolute statement - admitting of no exceptions. There are no exceptions to the rule that everybody likes to be an exception to the rule.
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Post by paul on Jan 28, 2012 15:25:33 GMT 9.5
Perhaps it is time to resuscitate this thread.
On what authority or evidence do we believe humans to have free will?
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Post by brandt on Jan 28, 2012 15:45:38 GMT 9.5
Good question. I would like to see the proofs.
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Post by cwhite on Jan 29, 2012 1:14:37 GMT 9.5
I believe free will is earned. By default, your will is a slave to your emotions. In order to truly free your will, you must become emotions master.
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Post by brandt on Jan 29, 2012 1:40:21 GMT 9.5
Though I like to claim free will, why do so many people make such common decisions?
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Post by paul on Jan 29, 2012 6:29:06 GMT 9.5
... By default, your will is a slave to your emotions. ... Some humans are slave to their physical desires. Others cannot control their thought processes. Free will certainly needs to be earned if it is to be manifested in free will actions.
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Post by paul on Jan 29, 2012 6:29:38 GMT 9.5
...why do so many people make such common decisions? Can you elaborate?
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Post by brandt on Jan 29, 2012 9:30:48 GMT 9.5
Human behavior is largely predictable. That would seem that if there is free will it is only free within defined parameters.
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Post by paul on Jan 29, 2012 10:36:56 GMT 9.5
Quite so. It certainly requires less will to slide downhill than to slide uphill
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Post by matt on Jan 29, 2012 11:09:43 GMT 9.5
I like to look at it as free will having me.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 29, 2012 11:38:00 GMT 9.5
Ramakrishna spoke of free will in the normal man as being like a tether on a cow: he is given only so much latitude, just as the cow is given sufficient latitude to graze and lie down within a certain range, but no farther. But, by dint of diligent spiritual work, he said, it is possible that thereby, God will lengthen a man's 'tether', or even remove it completely!
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Post by paul on Jan 29, 2012 12:24:15 GMT 9.5
Humans operate within the natural law, including that on higher planes. It seems however that as we progress, we operate on higher planes where the natural law allows greater creativity in the substance of the lower planes. Hence there is more freedom.
One example is karma. At the densest levels personal karma is played out by repetition until resolution. On higher planes karma can be managed as an energy and be requited without drama.
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Post by sekhmet on Jan 29, 2012 15:40:52 GMT 9.5
True enough. But it is also true that if you are karmically destined to, say, have a rock fall on your head, it is possible to tinker one's karma so that the rock that hits your head is a pebble and not a boulder! instead...but one way or the other, one must receive that hit on the head! I have had things like this happen any number of times; I attribute the fact to constant devotion to, and focus on, God...and I am always careful to thank God for the grace of having been spared 'the worst that could happen'!!
I will also mention that bringing awareness to karmic dramas seems to mitigate their fury; I recall meeting a friend of a friend who was involved in a serious family situation and was looking to my friend to advise her, where the ex-husband was out of control and was threatening physical harm to her and their daughter.
The husband was a Native American (Canadian, more accurately) with a history of mental disturbance, and the wife was a white woman. It transpired that the situation between them involved both "family" karma and "racial karma": The husband was a descendant of Louis Riel, a famous Canadian Metis(half-blood) rebel who who had been hanged for fomenting rebellion back in the early 1800s, and the wife was a descendant of the judge who had sentenced Louis Riel to hang!
We discussed the situation and made a "diagnosis", pointing out to her that she was "paying off family karma" and should not take any of it "personally"; in fact, an open and accepting attitude was called for, and some meditation on the situation, expressing a conscious willingness on her part to co-operate with the karmic dynamic operating between her and her ex-husband. Remarkably, after that, she had no further difficulty; her ex-husband settled down and stopped being threatening, and she was free to get on with her life.
It was a most interesting and graphic example of a "karmic drama' operating on several levels; having the historical background to work with made it even more interesting, and, of course, much easier to 'diagnose"!
I am not sure whether conscious 'undergoing' would remedy every situation as well as it did this one, but in any case, it is well to realize that in karmic situations it's not always just about "oneself"; there may well be much "greater" karma at work through an individual or individuals.
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