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Post by tamrin on Sept 27, 2011 21:07:40 GMT 9.5
I struggle to see how the admins here, through sharing their lifelong experiences of freemasonry, provoking thought, and generally helping others along their way, in any way constitutes ignorance Tamrin. They may at times use concepts that can be difficult to get your head around (well mine anyway) but that simply provokes (in my case up to years) of thought, which has tended to encourage me to research and reflect. Difficult to see any ignorance. LorrB, who appears to have the brains of the pair, admitted a while back that:I don't think I am intelligent enough or experienced enough to do either of those things. Thanks for reminding us Alan, her admission was in the context of: Speculate by all means: Then corroborate or debunk. I don't think I am intelligent enough or experienced enough to do either of those things.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 27, 2011 21:13:33 GMT 9.5
...once you start researching deeply there is often a lot of science involved and eg in the case of SHC coroners opinions etc, the words used may be different that is all. Also consider the Dogon their "superstitions" proved to be accurate once modern astronomy caught up with high powered telescopes. Just a thought. I see you have not been reading the "**** Alert!" links. BTW, yes, the Bible is laden with superstition.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 27, 2011 21:23:55 GMT 9.5
Yet you "**** Hoo" whenever you come across something you want to take the mickey out of which in itself could easily hinder free thought by readers here. Surely a more simple "Paul, LorrB I think that you are wrong because......may be a better approach?
Remember that the way you act here, especially since you are claiming to be protecting Freemasonry (which I applaud by the way), will influence a lot of casual visitors who may get no further than thinking.... life is too short. You seem to have a very one-sided idea of freedom of thought or rather, freedom of expression (everyone, everywhere is free to think whatever they like). With freedom of expression, if someone expresses nonsense, others have a right to express their opinion on the subject. BTW, if I turn casual visitors away from this forum, I'll at least have achieved something positive.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 27, 2011 22:22:14 GMT 9.5
BTW, if I turn casual visitors away from this forum, I'll at least have achieved something positive. Tamrin I really do hope that you are somehow bantering and it is simply going right over my head. If not, and if you are being serious, then to me your appear to be doing the work of darkness. As well as destroying your own reputation at the same time. I cant help but wonder if you have, like I once did myself, stumble down this road yourself unwittingly, or whether you made the positive decision (in which case fair enough even if a bit sad) or whether you were led there by those you trust but who did not want to dirty their hands themselves (reputedly a common working method of dark magicians who understand karma). I remember the Tamrin who fought hard for equality and fairness in freemasonry (re womens rights) [that was you wasnt it Tamrin]. I admired and respected him. :)Now it seems to be "my way or the highway." I am shedding a tear for you Tamrin.
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Post by paul on Sept 28, 2011 5:35:39 GMT 9.5
.. BTW, if I turn casual visitors away from this forum, I'll at least have achieved something positive. On the contrary, Tamrin's contributions have markedly increased visitation. And of course Tamrin's posts are a never-ending source of wonder and inspiration for new threads.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 28, 2011 6:04:36 GMT 9.5
.. BTW, if I turn casual visitors away from this forum, I'll at least have achieved something positive. On the contrary, Tamrin's contributions have markedly increased visitation.
And of course Tamrin's posts are a never-ending source of wonder and inspiration for new threads.At least they are getting both sides of the picture , not just ****.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 28, 2011 6:13:16 GMT 9.5
As well as destroying your own reputation at the same time. Thank you for your concern Stewart . However, I am only concerned about my reputation in some quarters. For what it's worth, I consider opposition to evil (including ignorance and superstition) as important as support of good, although, for one's own sake, one needs to devote more time and effort to the latter than to the former (you are only seeing the former here).
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Post by tamrin on Sept 28, 2011 15:02:28 GMT 9.5
On the contrary, Tamrin's contributions have markedly increased visitation.
And of course Tamrin's posts are a never-ending source of wonder and inspiration for new threads. At least they are getting both sides of the picture , not just Tammie. FRAUD ALERT!My post quoted above has been altered to show something other than what I wrote. Why am I not surprised?
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Post by paul on Sept 28, 2011 15:08:58 GMT 9.5
There is an automated system for replacing a banned word with Tammie.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 28, 2011 15:11:28 GMT 9.5
Whatever the mechanism, it is fraud!
Why is "W O O" Banned?
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Post by paul on Sept 28, 2011 15:12:31 GMT 9.5
I wonder if you can work that out.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 28, 2011 15:37:27 GMT 9.5
I wonder if you can work that out. Because it is spot on the mark at this **** site (can't have people going around pointing out the truth).
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 28, 2011 16:06:22 GMT 9.5
Thank you for your concern Stewart . Believe it or not Tamrin I am concerned about you, for your recent actions have taken me from respecting you (even if we disagreed) to wondering what has gone wrong to send you down your current path (and has got me questioning further my faith in ugle). I realise that you think that you are doing good, but I see a chap falling into darkness, and having fallen myself in the past I hope you dont fall too far for your energies would be far better spend being constructive rather than destructive. Pity. I actually agree with you on this Tamrin, where we disagree is that knowing how the words of the admins here have helped me grow positively forwards as a person over the last decade I dont see what they are doing as evil, but as a source of illumination in our world. OK I dont always understand them and sometimes disagree with them, but that is life. I for one am a far better person partially because the admins here have forced me to think, to reflect hard, to challenge myself and my beliefs, and to consider possibilities that at first glance seemed crazy. Personally I treasure my good points, constantly work on my bad points, keep a look out for when I retread, etc. its all about balance. Tamrin, clearly I could be a cookoo madman, but I do think that you are slipping down a path of darkness, which I find very sad due to your past sterling work re women in freemasonry. But as it is your choice I have to respect that. Just remember that if indeed you are slipping into darkness, given your stated positions in the esoteric masonic world, you could inadvertently take a whole lot of masons with you and that would be a tragedy. And the effects of your actions on the outside world, folk like me, could have negative repercussions on general masonic health as some think that life is too short for bairns in the playground. I write this Tamrin in the hope that you are able to take a step back and reflect upon it, and even if it takes a decade before you see where I am coming from, remember that I have tried to be there for you when you appeared to be slipping into darkness. But I wont harp on any more I will simply let you get on with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 17:45:38 GMT 9.5
Thank you for your concern Stewart . Believe it or not Tamrin I am concerned about you, for your recent actions have taken me from respecting you (even if we disagreed) to wondering what has gone wrong to send you down your current path (and has got me questioning further my faith in ugle). I realise that you think that you are doing good, but I see a chap falling into darkness, and having fallen myself in the past I hope you dont fall too far for your energies would be far better spend being constructive rather than destructive. Pity. I actually agree with you on this Tamrin, where we disagree is that knowing how the words of the admins here have helped me grow positively forwards as a person over the last decade I dont see what they are doing as evil, but as a source of illumination in our world. OK I dont always understand them and sometimes disagree with them, but that is life. I for one am a far better person partially because the admins here have forced me to think, to reflect hard, to challenge myself and my beliefs, and to consider possibilities that at first glance seemed crazy. Personally I treasure my good points, constantly work on my bad points, keep a look out for when I retread, etc. its all about balance. Tamrin, clearly I could be a cookoo madman, but I do think that you are slipping down a path of darkness, which I find very sad due to your past sterling work re women in freemasonry. But as it is your choice I have to respect that. Just remember that if indeed you are slipping into darkness, given your stated positions in the esoteric masonic world, you could inadvertently take a whole lot of masons with you and that would be a tragedy. And the effects of your actions on the outside world, folk like me, could have negative repercussions on general masonic health as some think that life is too short for bairns in the playground. I write this Tamrin in the hope that you are able to take a step back and reflect upon it, and even if it takes a decade before you see where I am coming from, remember that I have tried to be there for you when you appeared to be slipping into darkness. But I wont harp on any more I will simply let you get on with it. This is another of Stewart's character assassinations. Phillip, stick to your principles, you are a worthy Brother doing a necessary job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 17:52:34 GMT 9.5
Smithee
I would appreciate your help on the transcendence thread. Here I was thinking you two had no sense of humour. Ask Phillip he can explain this stuff better than I.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2011 18:05:11 GMT 9.5
So is that how it works, you can but you may not. Yeah, right. I can? As you progress further in the craft you will understand that one's gifts must never be used for selfish purposes ie to prove something to someone might lead to vanity and eventually to abuse of power .. (the first positive result will be put down to coincidence and further greater feats will be demanded) Remember the lesson re Jesus who could raise the dead but would not save Himself, bowing rather to the Will of the Father. Distance healing on the other hand is an unselfish act. Should you ever have need of that, I would do my best for you. Funny how sceptics are always denied proof but it is often given to the gullible.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 28, 2011 19:30:37 GMT 9.5
This is another of Stewart's character assassinations. Phillip, stick to your principles, you are a worthy Brother doing a necessary job. Alternatively, as I explained, I could simply be trying to prevent a good man from making a mistake that I once made myself Smithee. As an aside given the Pro Grand master of UGLE recent speech at the quarterly communications to be found www.ugle.org.uk/news-events-page/latest-pro-grand-masters-address/ perhaps the official view, in UGLE at least, is that Tolerance and Kindness are perhaps more important in UGLE than Tamrin has written here (just one mans commentary on the ugle website I think Tamrin said), given how many times The Grand Master mentioned Tolerance and the context thereof. UGLE opinions on freemasonry may or may not be important or relevant to Tamrin, but it is the direction that ugle is thankfully being directed towards more forcefully. Hopefully in time that will feed through ugle and into ugle amity and outwards into the wider masonic community and indeed, per the stated objectives of the UGLE Grand Master, into public belief/understanding. It is good to see the High Hied Yins get a grip of the issues.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 29, 2011 6:55:52 GMT 9.5
Stewart, What you so admire about my hard fight "for equality and fairness in freemasonry (re womens rights)" (ongoing), really, REALLY angers some people, who feel I am insisting on "my way or the highway." Here we have the same approach with a different project, the only difference being that you support the one project but not the other. Go figure.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 29, 2011 8:52:00 GMT 9.5
Stewart, What you so admire about my hard fight "for equality and fairness in freemasonry (re womens rights)" (ongoing), really, REALLY angers some people, who feel I am insisting on "my way or the highway." Here we have the same approach with a different project, the only difference being that you support the one project but not the other. Go figure. Tamrin, being a woman, I thank you for your support in this area, truly. However you might like to extend your hard fight for equality and fairness to allowing women (and men) to think their own thoughts. Otherwise what you will end up with is a lodge full of people who are happy to follow you.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 29, 2011 12:57:03 GMT 9.5
Stewart, What you so admire about my hard fight "for equality and fairness in freemasonry (re womens rights)" (ongoing), really, REALLY angers some people, who feel I am insisting on "my way or the highway." Here we have the same approach with a different project, the only difference being that you support the one project but not the other. Go figure. Tamrin, being a woman, I thank you for your support in this area, truly. However you might like to extend your hard fight for equality and fairness to allowing women (and men) to think their own thoughts.
Otherwise what you will end up with is a lodge full of people who are happy to follow you.As repeatedly stated, freedom of thought is not at issue here: No one could, even if they wished, stop another thinking whatever they choose to think (notions here of stealing or implanting thoughts not withstanding). The issue here is one of freedom of expression, which both sides here agree, carries with it responsibilities (indeed, the censors have been at work undermining one side of the debate, in what they see as breaches of that responsibility). There is a responsibility to investigate and to be sure of one’s facts before publishing (forums are not exempt and, yes, posting here constitutes publishing). While I am not suggesting the matter here be tested at law, perhaps we might consider the principles underlying yesterday’s ruling in the Andrew Bolt case. We might also consider that many people have an interest in the reputation of Freemasonry and that its undue association with what is generally thought of as pseudosciences (or worse) might reasonably be said to damage that reputation. If you have solid evidence, go with it. If not, give regard to the facts of the matter and to the reputation of the fraternity.
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