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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 19, 2011 18:34:03 GMT 9.5
I am curious what others think about lodge energies.
As you know I have only ever been in one open working lodge, which was open to the general public - a St Johns Ceremony that along with other guests I took part in part of the ceremony. But I have visited a fair few and was once sent in a lodge by a lodge officer when it was being set up (and promptly removed at the end of a sword) and was also in another lodge as people began to file in presumably to set it up, and the provincial officer that had me there soon got me out. But apart from that all of the lodges that I have been in have been closed.
Now I have experienced the following in lodges:-
1. Blandness, complete blandness devoid of any feeling whatsoever.
2. Comfort, end of.
3. Comfort, knowing that good work has been done there.
4. Feeling at home, having to sit down as I absorbed it. (I can still sense the energy structure of this lodge)
5. Getting quite literally a pain in my neck that almost caused me to leave the lodge room. (thats twice now I have been "attacked" for want of a better word in a lodge environment [the other if you remember being when some years back I "lost" something].
6. A sense of a place of hard work.
7. A sense of a lot of energy having built up over the years.
8. Enjoying the decoration.
Awe never really has come into it, though one mason tried to tell me that was what I was feeling.
Now I realise that I am far more sensitive than many people, but the thread on hyms/music got me thinking about this.
Any thoughts anyone, especially Tamrin as I really am curious how a Magus who seeks so much rationality feels about lodge energies.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 19, 2011 21:29:31 GMT 9.5
Any thoughts anyone, especially Tamrin as I really am curious how a Magus who seeks so much rationality feels about lodge energies. Matthew 7:6 |
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Post by paul on Sept 20, 2011 7:50:46 GMT 9.5
Tamrin, I do not think you need fear Stewart trampling your pearls and any attempts to rend another are frowned upon here.
I think that Stewart has a genuine interest in the experience of others, particularly an exalted frater.
Sharing personal experience of inner things is encouraged here. Feel free.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 20, 2011 13:33:08 GMT 9.5
Tamrin, I do not think you need fear Stewart trampling your pearls and any attempts to rend another are frowned upon here.
I think that Stewart has a genuine interest in the experience of others, particularly an exalted frater.
Sharing personal experience of inner things is encouraged here. Feel free. It is not Stewart I am wary of. Some subjects are properly only discussed with the right people, in the right place and at the right time. |
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Post by paul on Sept 20, 2011 13:44:34 GMT 9.5
Oh dear. That must limit greatly what you can contribute on an esoteric forum.
Still the public is allowed into many temples and even on occasion to witness the installation of a Grand Master and thus experience the energies on the temple and non-degree ritual
"At Mr Robson's appointment as the new Grand Master of the Freemasons in NSW and the ACT yesterday, media were allowed to witness and film The Grand Installation Ceremony for the first time."
There must be something that can be shared.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 20, 2011 15:28:39 GMT 9.5
Well I can tell you of some experiences when the lodge was closed.
Oftentimes as the lodge is closed I see a flash of blue white light emanate from the swivel point on the compasses.
And just once as we were processing out of the lodge and I reached the SW corner I felt a soft whack at the back of the heart area and was totally elated. Took me an hour or so 'to come down from the rafters'.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 20, 2011 15:32:37 GMT 9.5
When the profane enter the glory departs.
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Post by paul on Sept 20, 2011 15:56:06 GMT 9.5
When the profane enter the glory departs. The difficulty of course is knowing which are the profane - hence the use of terms such as "true brethren". Thus being initiated does not make one a true brother and not being initiated does not prevent one from being a true brother. I suppose then that any person having a deep experience in a Masonic temple might consider whether they are already a true brother. I observed that last weekend at an installation. After the ceremony I took the wife of the Master into the temple to show her the Light coming from the East. Her daughter (about 11) accompanied us. The girl sat in the Master's chair while I pointed out the Light to the mother. The Light then started to flow into the temple, and I was quite surprised to see that this broad flow narrowed until it flowed exactly through the girl and then broadened out into the temple. The Light certainly recognised the girl as a true brother - and I did as well. It was a very moving occasion. |
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Post by acrogers on Sept 20, 2011 16:16:47 GMT 9.5
I have experienced Lodge energy in different ways during my years in Masonry thus far. For the first few months after my Initiation I would be conscious of my crown chakra having been activated. This took the form of a feeling as though the top of my head had been opened up. Then in September 1999 when we worked the St. Michael's Day Ceremony, everything was swept aside by a tremendous energy wave of warmth and light, which re-occured in 2006 when we worked that same Ceremony.
When I was invested as Senior Deacon my close proximity to the East created a sense of intense fullness, as though I was breathing a substance rather than the air itself. Going into the Chair of King Solomon was of course an experience of a different kind, as though numerous energy currents were being focussed upon me.
However the most common overall effect I feel at nearly every Lodge meeting is one of absorption into the being of the Lodge, something that subsumes every other level of awareness into itself, so that complete focus on the work in hand is as easy and natural as breathing.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 20, 2011 16:50:01 GMT 9.5
The Co-Masonic Order, whose desire and work, as is expressed in their ritual, is to pour the waters of esoteric knowledge into the Masonic vessels.
We work the Lauderdale Ritual in our Lodge.
When we allow non masons to view out lodgeroom almost without exception they comment on how wonderful the lodgeroom feels - they then go on to say something along the lines of 'you can feel the energy'.
We take a great deal of pleasure in hearing them comment on it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 17:39:58 GMT 9.5
Some subjects are properly only discussed with the right people, in the right place and at the right time. Respect! |
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Post by paul on Sept 20, 2011 18:46:01 GMT 9.5
Perhaps some are more sensitive to temple energies than others.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 20, 2011 20:17:11 GMT 9.5
There are many things in your heart you can never tell to another person.
They are you, your private joys and sorrows, and you can never tell them.
You cheapen yourself, the inside of yourself, when you tell them
Greta Garbo
Then there are things you may be able to selectively share.
However, I do not feel this is a suitable forum for my doing so. |
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Post by paul on Sept 20, 2011 20:43:06 GMT 9.5
... However, I do not feel this is a suitable forum for my doing so. Is there any forum at which you do share some of your pearls? |
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Post by tamrin on Sept 20, 2011 21:07:55 GMT 9.5
Is there any forum at which you do share some of your pearls? The Quarry Masonic Forum[Linked Above] Controversy is acceptable, disagreement is welcome and humour is encouraged, so long as credibility and civility are maintained Life is a quarry, out of which we are to mold and chisel and complete a characterSamuel “Hudibras” Butler “Self-Made Man” by Bobbie Carlyle Man cannot remake himself without suffering,
for he is both the marble and the sculptorAlexis Carrel |
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Post by paul on Sept 21, 2011 6:10:24 GMT 9.5
Are you able to point out some of the posts where you have shared your temple experiences?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 21, 2011 12:06:35 GMT 9.5
Are you able to point out some of the posts where you have shared your temple experiences? Please recall, your question was: Is there any forum at which you do share some of your pearls? This was in response to my having said: Then there are things you may be able to selectively share.
However, I do not feel this is a suitable forum for my doing so. Some things I do not share except with significant others. Other things only with those who are duly qualified and when properly tyled. Still other things I am happy to discuss openly. Which part don’t you understand? At The Quarry I do occasionally mention in passing my inner perception of transcendence in group settings. I do not consider these settings as being as incomprehensible as transcending to the mind of a system of greater inclusion (where only an apprehension of unity may be possible). The group mind or egregore of a lodge or a congregation is, if anything, less organized and sophisticated than our own mind. Even so, it is uplifting, refreshing and literally awesome when it all comes together and one has been part of the process. More than that I do not wish to utter (especially here and to you) and thereby cheapen those experiences (I well know your wont to run off on ridiculous tangents). On the other side of the equation are the negative experiences of group minds in crowds. The perception of a mob mentality is very real and ugly. For instance, when accompanying my younger son to football matches when he was too young to go on his own, I would take a book so as to immerse and tyle myself from the atmosphere which was often disturbing (and explained why to my son, cautioning him against getting too caught up). |
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Post by LorrB on Sept 21, 2011 12:41:44 GMT 9.5
The group mind or egregore of a lodge or a congregation is, if anything, less organized and sophisticated than our own mind. I can imagine that it must be quite a burden for you. It might help lighten the load a little if you hum "He ain't heavy, he's my brother" ... even at football matches, it seems to work quite well. |
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Post by paul on Sept 21, 2011 13:11:51 GMT 9.5
...The group mind or egregore of a lodge or a congregation is, if anything, less organized and sophisticated than our own mind..... Hopefully there are better lodges out there somewhere |
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Post by tamrin on Sept 21, 2011 14:47:38 GMT 9.5
The group mind or egregore of a lodge or a congregation is, if anything, less organized and sophisticated than our own mind. My observation wasn't a criticism. The looser organization is simply a consequence of the way a lodge or congregation is necessarily somewhat disjointed with each member going their own way after their occasional meetings (the group mind of a family generally has greater coherence while a mob has considerably less). A group mind establishes itself over time and can never be expected to achieve the same sophistication as the mind arising from a truly organic bonding, as in the cells and organs comprising our bodies. |
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