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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 17:32:13 GMT 9.5
Smithee, if it makes you happy, the next time you wake up in the middle of the night it will be me interrupting your sleep. Ok? It may happen sooner than you think. I would have appreciated a gentle wake-up call, I always find the alarm going off a bit too much first thing of a morning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 17:34:06 GMT 9.5
Actually - those with the power to do such things must not do so. So is that how it works, you can but you may not. Yeah, right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 17:37:30 GMT 9.5
Tamrin, you raised the bar by indicating you were a Magus Stewart, it was you who first mentioned SRIA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2011 17:52:17 GMT 9.5
Come on Tamrin I want you to inspire me. Did Phillip say he was here to inspire you?
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 26, 2011 19:08:50 GMT 9.5
Come on Tamrin I want you to inspire me. Did Phillip say he was here to inspire you? No Smithee Tamrin said that he was here to fulfill his Kadosh degree obligations to defend freemasonry against the words of the admins here (or similar). But when he declared that he was a SRIS Magus and in the related side orders that immediately given readers an expectation. You Smithee could also be a Magus, or a Grand Master or HM The Queen, but as you have not said that you are I read your words in the same way I read anyone elses. (I am not saying that I blindly believe what people say but that I give people the benefit of the doubt). But Tamrins stated credentials give his words more authority but also they come with more expectation. And rightly or wrongly I expect Maguses to inspire where their write. Now Tamrin may be happy going down the dark path and sniping etc, after all he has argued strongly that tolerance is not a masonic virtue, and that is his choice. However I dont think that it is unreasonable for someone on the path (albeit a different one) to expect or hope that a Magus choses the path of light and inspires, illuminating the way for those who follow them. Until Tamrin came here and very clearly stated his Kadosh obligations and the lack of tolerance issue, I had held him in high regard, now I am a little disappointed in him (not because he is being faithful to his obligation for that is to be commended) but because he appears to me to be following the path of darkness, where I would like the old Tamrin the one who inspired me back. Clearly I expect to be disappointed, but I can hope Smithee.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 26, 2011 21:18:41 GMT 9.5
Did Phillip say he was here to inspire you? No Smithee Tamrin said that he was here to fulfill his Kadosh degree obligations to defend freemasonry against the words of the admins here (or similar). But when he declared that he was a SRIS Magus and in the related side orders that immediately given readers an expectation. You Smithee could also be a Magus, or a Grand Master or HM The Queen, but as you have not said that you are I read your words in the same way I read anyone elses. (I am not saying that I blindly believe what people say but that I give people the benefit of the doubt). But Tamrins stated credentials give his words more authority but also they come with more expectation. And rightly or wrongly I expect Maguses to inspire where their write. Now Tamrin may be happy going down the dark path and sniping etc, after all he has argued strongly that tolerance is not a masonic virtue, and that is his choice. However I dont think that it is unreasonable for someone on the path (albeit a different one) to expect or hope that a Magus choses the path of light and inspires, illuminating the way for those who follow them. Until Tamrin came here and very clearly stated his Kadosh obligations and the lack of tolerance issue, I had held him in high regard, now I am a little disappointed in him (not because he is being faithful to his obligation for that is to be commended) but because he appears to me to be following the path of darkness, where I would like the old Tamrin the one who inspired me back. Clearly I expect to be disappointed, but I can hope Smithee. Stewart, it is YOU who keeps carrying on about me being a Magus. I have stated it once in a response to you where I would have been remiss not to say so. If you doubt my word, it can be easily verified. you have to go through SRIA first I am an SRIS Magus, etc., etc.
There is genuine esoterica and then there is "esoterica" (e.g., giants, aliens and unicorns).I'm sorry if you don't like my efforts in pointing out the rubbish presented here under the banner of Freemasonry: Ultimately that is your problem. I am not here to live up to your ill-informed expectations.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 26, 2011 21:37:13 GMT 9.5
Now Tamrin may be happy going down the dark path and sniping etc, after all he has argued strongly that tolerance is not a masonic virtue, and that is his choice. However I dont think that it is unreasonable for someone on the path (albeit a different one) to expect or hope that a Magus choses the path of light and inspires, illuminating the way for those who follow them. Stewart, For one who carries on about character assassination, you are a hypocrite. The path of light requires action in the case of injustice, as with the lies here associated with our gentle Craft. As for me arguing strongly that tolerance was not a masonic virtue, I simply stated the truth and am bearing your blame for what is an objective fact. Go figure.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 26, 2011 22:41:45 GMT 9.5
Stewart, For one who carries on about character assassination, you are a hypocrite. Noted. Agreed, something that I have often done, several times to my own expense and distress. This is probably our stumbling block Tamrin, for I have yet to see that the admins here have lied. I dont always understand them, but to me is seems to be more of a combination of:- 1. The admins striving for truth, provoking thought along the way. 2. Explaining and discussing what makes sense to them from their liftimes in the masonic world. I mean Tamrin, some of the stuff that I have seen first hand in the company of ugle and amity masons makes me pause for thought, far less the stuff you read about on the internet. Lots of good fine words and too often big say do gaps. Whether it is a mason suggesting to me that if I use my signature for his benefit he will see about getting me in, or the likes of the financial mismanagement scandal discussed on tfm, or heaps in between, it is becoming more difficult to believe what masons say. The say-do gaps appear to be frightening. Hence, and I suppose because I am outside, I keep an open mind and am not blinded by tribe loyalty. This is still so at odds with what I had admired about ugle that I am still getting used to your explanation compared with ugles (website and publicty material commentary). Give me a little time here Tamrin, for you have blown a hole in one of the few aspects of ugle that I had not lost faith in. I had accepted that it meant well but human nature had eroded its essense as it bumbled along firefighting its way, but to now find that its fundamental public statements may not be what they seem is still sinking in.
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Post by Henka on Sept 27, 2011 5:03:45 GMT 9.5
Stewart, please stop using the term "Magus" in a derogatory manner. Thank you.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 27, 2011 7:10:22 GMT 9.5
This is probably our stumbling block Tamrin, for I have yet to see that the admins here have lied. They have at least been careless with the truth. Before publishing, especially in the name of a fraternity which prides itself on its roots in the rational Age of Enlightenment, one has an obligation to check their facts. At least Google a subject with words such as "fraud," "hoax" or "skeptic" in the subject line. Then consider what such links reveal. OK, not much will be left standing but that is down to Mavity's Law.
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Post by paul on Sept 27, 2011 7:52:58 GMT 9.5
.... a fraternity which prides itself on its roots in the rational Age of Enlightenment, ..... Surely some brethren hold neither that belief nor that pride?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 27, 2011 8:22:26 GMT 9.5
Actually - those with the power to do such things must not do so. So is that how it works, you can but you may not. Yeah, right. I can? As you progress further in the craft you will understand that one's gifts must never be used for selfish purposes ie to prove something to someone might lead to vanity and eventually to abuse of power .. (the first positive result will be put down to coincidence and further greater feats will be demanded) Remember the lesson re Jesus who could raise the dead but would not save Himself, bowing rather to the Will of the Father. Distance healing on the other hand is an unselfish act. Should you ever have need of that, I would do my best for you.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 27, 2011 8:43:40 GMT 9.5
Did Phillip say he was here to inspire you? No Smithee Tamrin said that he was here to fulfill his Kadosh degree obligations to defend freemasonry against the words of the admins here (or similar). Tamrin told me that also. It is the only reason he and Smithee are here. I am quite familiar with Kadosh and I rather got the impression they were to descend from their lofty positions to give aid and support to the poor and needy in spirit. To defend Freemasonry against free thought rather reminds me of the Inquisitors who sought out and destroyed those that who thought freely for themselves. Fortunately, in our part of the world most people are more reasonable these days and just put such things down to a difference of opinion.
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Post by Henka on Sept 27, 2011 8:51:14 GMT 9.5
So is that how it works, you can but you may not. Yeah, right. I can? As you progress further in the craft you will understand that one's gifts must never be used for selfish purposes ie to prove something to someone might lead to vanity and eventually to abuse of power .. (the first positive result will be put down to coincidence and further greater feats will be demanded) Remember the lesson re Jesus who could raise the dead but would not save Himself, bowing rather to the Will of the Father. Distance healing on the other hand is an unselfish act. Should you ever have need of that, I would do my best for you. I agree with this.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 27, 2011 13:10:31 GMT 9.5
No Smithee Tamrin said that he was here to fulfill his Kadosh degree obligations to defend freemasonry against the words of the admins here (or similar). Tamrin told me that also. It is the only reason he and Smithee are here.
I am quite familiar with Kadosh and I rather got the impression they were to descend from their lofty positions to give aid and support to the poor and needy in spirit.
To defend Freemasonry against free thought rather reminds me of the Inquisitors who sought out and destroyed those that who thought freely for themselves.
Fortunately, in our part of the world most people are more reasonable these days and just put such things down to a difference of opinion.I cannot speak for Smithee. As a Knight Kadosh I am to wage relentless war against ignorance, superstition and tyranny (not against free thought or indeed freedom of expression). Moreover, the specification of my duty as a Knight Kadosh here has only been in the context of others here presuming to tell me my masonic duty. Please consider how, with freedom comes responsibility and accountability. Please note how on this **** forum I have only called for responsible self-censorship (truth telling or at the very least carefully checking one’s facts), failing which, anyone may fairly claim the right of rebuke (it's the flip side of freedom of expression).
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Post by tamrin on Sept 27, 2011 13:13:06 GMT 9.5
.... a fraternity which prides itself on its roots in the rational Age of Enlightenment, ..... Surely some brethren hold neither that belief nor that pride?Chiefly the willfully ****.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 27, 2011 15:04:44 GMT 9.5
As a Knight Kadosh I am to wage relentless war Dont you think that our world has had enough war induced suffering? I struggle to see how the admins here, through sharing their lifelong experiences of freemasonry, provoking thought, and generally helping others along their way, in any way constitutes ignorance Tamrin. They may at times use concepts that can be difficult to get your head around (well mine anyway) but that simply provokes (in my case up to years) of thought, which has tended to encourage me to research and reflect. Difficult to see any ignorance. Again I struggle to see how the admins words are superstitious, after all they in concept reflect the views of many different people and cultures across the world, and once you start researching deeply there is often a lot of science involved and eg in the case of SHC coroners opinions etc, the words used may be different that is all. Also consider the Dogon their "superstitions" proved to be accurate once modern astronomy caught up with high powered telescopes. Just a thought. Also remember that superstition is a matter of perspective, after all some confirmed atheists may see the bible as being a superstitious story book. Yet to other evangelicals it is the literal word of God, while others such as the Roman Catholic Church have yet a different take on it. Where is the tyranny Tamrin? Where? Yet you "**** Hoo" whenever you come across something you want to take the mickey out of which in itself could easily hinder free thought by readers here. Surely a more simple "Paul, LorrB I think that you are wrong because......may be a better approach? Remember that the way you act here, especially since you are claiming to be protecting Freemasonry (which I applaud by the way), will influence a lot of casual visitors who may get no further than thinking....life is too short.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 27, 2011 16:51:34 GMT 9.5
As a Knight Kadosh I am to wage relentless war Dont you think that our world has had enough war induced suffering?That is the duty with which I have been charged. It is not to say all three evils (ignorance, superstition and evil) have be manifest together to be opposed (although they often appear as a constellation). They are to be confronted if and when one or more is evident. Moreover, the war is not obviously physical but philosophical, so please don't be so precious. Less dramatically, it may be said I am attempting to encourage discrimination between the real and the unreal, between facts and fraud or fancy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2011 17:56:18 GMT 9.5
I struggle to see how the admins here, through sharing their lifelong experiences of freemasonry, provoking thought, and generally helping others along their way, in any way constitutes ignorance Tamrin. They may at times use concepts that can be difficult to get your head around (well mine anyway) but that simply provokes (in my case up to years) of thought, which has tended to encourage me to research and reflect. Difficult to see any ignorance. LorrB, who appears to have the brains of the pair, admitted a while back that: I don't think I am intelligent enough or experienced enough to do either of those things.
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Post by paul on Sept 27, 2011 19:45:45 GMT 9.5
Smithee
I would appreciate your help on the transcendence thread.
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