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Post by paul on May 1, 2011 7:59:25 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on May 3, 2011 12:57:20 GMT 9.5
This suggests that Freemasonry is not a modern invention
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Post by LorrB on May 3, 2011 14:05:21 GMT 9.5
Gavel or Square?
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Post by paul on May 3, 2011 14:11:06 GMT 9.5
I suspect it is actually a key - to the heavenly temple St Peter looks a bit odd here.
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Post by LorrB on May 3, 2011 16:38:00 GMT 9.5
How do you know it is St Peter? Is there a story behind it?
Here we have the cross within the circle we were discussing elsewhere.. the thread on the pentagram.
We also have Peter/Ptah/Petros standing on what looks like a rock.
Strange feet.
The Staff of Life?
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Post by paul on May 3, 2011 17:38:19 GMT 9.5
I was pointing out how useful it is for a new religion to capture the imagery of existing religions. The image is of Mithras - depicted as a lion-headed initiator - presumably with a lion's grip and of course lion's feet.
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Post by mgc on May 3, 2011 23:43:45 GMT 9.5
recycling is common in both nature and religion.. besides, why change a winning formula.. interesting is variating on a theme to the point of creating something that has little in common with its original.. the evolution of religion.. theres prolly scores of books written about that subject.. what is the bottom line?
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Post by LorrB on May 4, 2011 10:33:11 GMT 9.5
The Sphinx has the body of a lion.
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Post by paul on May 4, 2011 10:50:03 GMT 9.5
My interest in the South American image is that it has Masonic features and quite possibly demonstrates that Freemasonry is relatively modern and European in origin.
The figure may also demonstrate that Masonic lodges were used by local gods - as can be seen in HRA.
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Post by LorrB on May 4, 2011 15:25:31 GMT 9.5
Now you have really confused me. Sth American-European? Europeans (Spanish) might have taken their Gods to Sth America maybe and the figure above might be the result. I can't access your link, so I don't know how old the figure is.
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Post by paul on May 4, 2011 15:41:38 GMT 9.5
Europeans (Spanish) might have taken their Gods to Sth America maybe and the figure above might be the result. Sitchin has a reasonably good attempt at matching the various sets of European, Middle Eastern and South American gods. He demonstrates that there is only one set of gods, and, as I recall, demonstrates that one god who goes missing from the Mediterranean appears at the same time in South America
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Post by mgc on May 5, 2011 18:35:58 GMT 9.5
i hope those assumptions rnt based on poor translations as well.. what r his arguments?
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Post by paul on May 5, 2011 19:32:19 GMT 9.5
He uses the names, characteristics, relationships and actions to match the sets of gods in the traditions of various cultures.
I don't know whether this example is one of his, but Ra is the sun god in both Egyptian and New Zealand Maori culture. Other matches can be found fairly easily - for example fish gods.
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Post by mgc on May 6, 2011 9:26:10 GMT 9.5
Tama-nui-te-rā in maori.. u only count the last syllable?
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Post by paul on May 6, 2011 10:57:34 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on May 6, 2011 11:18:28 GMT 9.5
What about Sol-Amun? Amen is derived from the Hebrew âmen, which means “certainty,” “truth,” and “verily.” It means “it is so” or “so it be.” (SMIB?)
In English, the word has two primary pronunciations: ah-men or ay-men. But it is one interjection that is expressed in endless ways, from a soft whisper to a joyous shout.
Amen is found in both the Old and New Testament. Modern worshippers of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all use a version of the word, and records indicate that it has been used as an expression of concurrence after prayer for centuries. …
In Egyptian mythology, amen, or amun, was a deity represented by a ram, the god of life and reproduction. A controversial theory posits that amen derives from the Ancient Egyptian
hotword.dictionary.com/amen
Sol-Amun is behind Solomon?
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Post by paul on May 6, 2011 11:52:59 GMT 9.5
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Post by mgc on May 6, 2011 20:18:11 GMT 9.5
sure, but is it unlikely to have such a powerful entity deified? must it mean theyve been in contact? often more than 1 person comes up with the same idea, sometimes even at the same time, without direct contact.. to assume this means ra (or those who installed ra) went from egypt to new zeeland is a bit much for me..
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Post by paul on May 6, 2011 20:59:52 GMT 9.5
My father told me that the Maori troops did very well in Greece during WW2 because they learned the language so quickly. The sounds of the languages are apparently rather similar.
The Maori tattoo designs are most closely matched by the Celtic designs.
The Celts seemed to use the same grooved ware pottery as the Phoenicians.
Phoenician artifacts are reportedly recovered quite frequently on the Australia east coast
Large Egyptian-like carvings are found on cliffs in eastern Australia
Australian aboriginals sometimes used Egyptian designs on the cheringa
Australian aboriginal tribes are reported to have recognised Masonic distress signs
Some Australia aboriginal ritual is recognisably the same as part of Holy Royal Arch
The ancient Egyptians used the same design boomerang as the Australian aboriginal
etc
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Post by mgc on May 7, 2011 21:51:35 GMT 9.5
even if the ancient cultures in the mediterranian made contact with the far east, does this support sitchins claim to gods upping and settling somewhere else?
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