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Post by paul on Mar 9, 2015 12:46:03 GMT 9.5
And there is an implicit pulsation in the symbol.
The symbol is slightly modified from the original by being put into a circle rather than an oblong.
It is associated with the text: Hunab Ku: One Giver of Movement and Measure
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Post by fjrogers on Jul 11, 2015 15:37:56 GMT 9.5
Perhaps the best way to recognise a true mason is their undertakings in the outer world. Genuine masonic behaviour is demonstrated by doing good service in the world and by recognising the ultimate destiny of humanity.
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Post by fjrogers on Jul 11, 2015 16:19:50 GMT 9.5
I would say that true masons should have good moral conduct. If they don't they are really not true masons in the inner sense.
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Post by paul on Jul 11, 2015 16:39:12 GMT 9.5
>Perhaps the best way to recognise a true mason is their undertakings in the outer world.
So what would qualify an organisation as Masonic?
Surely it is not possession of an 18th century ritual based on a supposed Jewish history? If Freemasonry existed in Egypt then it did not use KST as a model.
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Post by fjrogers on Jul 12, 2015 15:48:56 GMT 9.5
An organisation is officially Masonic if it holds the appropriate Warrant or Charter required by the fraternity. In the ultimate sense it is the inner recognition and higher qualities of the members involved. The rituals should be a pathway through the Mysteries whatever the tradition.
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Post by paul on Jul 12, 2015 16:09:16 GMT 9.5
>An organisation is officially Masonic if it holds the appropriate Warrant or Charter required by the fraternity. I seem to recall a tradition that 7 lodges can establish their own Grand Lodge. Certainly the 4 lodges that formed the new GL in London in 1717 decided they did not require a charter for that. The question in my mind is: would I recognise the Masonic nature of an organisation that did not have rituals based on Jewish history? >The rituals should be a pathway through the Mysteries whatever the tradition. Quite so, but there are also dark mysteries and dark lodges. Here is one. fraternitas.de/home.htmwww.parareligion.ch/dplanet/html/fs_aims.htmThe Fraternitas Saturni is recognisably Masonic in structure. "The FS adopts a system of degrees, ending with the 33rd as highest degree to reach this goal." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternitas_SaturniThe FS follows the Logos of Saturn. The Saturnian influence was very strong in the Nazis.
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Post by fjrogers on Jul 12, 2015 16:58:39 GMT 9.5
>The question in my mind is: would I recognise the Masonic nature of an organisation that did not have rituals based on Jewish history?
I'd say you would recognise the Masonic nature of an organisation as long as the rituals recognise and teach the perfection of humanity, not necessarily based of Jewish history. Obviously dark lodges are not desirable and should not be regarded as Masonic.
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Post by paul on Jul 12, 2015 17:20:07 GMT 9.5
>as long as the rituals recognise and teach the perfection of humanity The FS seems to have the goal - just expressed in different words "The "Fraternitas Saturni"... borne from the consciousness to co-operate in the liquidation of the Karma of the Planet Earth - it will thus rescue the Bloom of the Pisces Aeon, the Rosicrucianism, across to the Aeon of Aquarius. ... Saturnus shall further maintain in the New Aeon the secrets and traditional sciences an Guardian of Humanity..." www.parareligion.ch/dplanet/html/fs_aims.htmPerhaps the purpose for achieving the perfection of humanity is also relevant.
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Post by fjrogers on Jul 13, 2015 15:25:08 GMT 9.5
Is "Fraternitas Saturni" recognised by the inner school? Sometimes if organisations become corrupt the inner school lets go of them and ceases to support them. Saturn has good qualities but it often associated with darkness.
Can you explain further "the liquidation of the Karma of the Planet Earth"
Does FS engage in the dark side?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 16:35:25 GMT 9.5
Here is a symbol that could be interpreted as Life in the Galaxy It could be deconstructed as a yin-yang plus 4 directions and 4 rivers It is a very interesting diagram, the consideration of Saturnian levels sparked a thought, that perhaps the 33 levels of such an organisation might mirror the 33 levels of light. 64 or 66 maybe, yin and Yang 64 hexagrams, 66 and the wheel. Also the rings of saturn giving off light. The four 'blades' out fom the centre brings to mind the Fylfot. Just some thoughts.
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2015 17:22:46 GMT 9.5
>Is "Fraternitas Saturni" recognised by the inner school? The FS is certainly a valid entry to a dark inner school. As far as I know Morya is the head of all inner schools of this planet - both light and dark. >if organisations become corrupt the inner school lets go of them and ceases to support them Quite so. There are also grades of acceptance of an outer school, for example an outer school that has lost its way might be relegated to the care of a lesser initiate. >Can you explain further "the liquidation of the Karma of the Planet Earth" The Logos of Saturn was and is a significant sponsor of Nazism. The Nazis were keen on liquidation, and redoubled their efforts when it became clear that Germany would lose the war. If you look at one of those FS quotes above you can see a reference to rescuing the bloom of the Pisces Aeon. The rest of humanity are not required. >Does FS engage in the dark side? Here is an account by Franz Bardon of the FS operations tikaboo.com/library/Frabato.pdf
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2015 17:27:58 GMT 9.5
>It is a very interesting diagram
In my view it is intended to represent the 4 rivers (of Eden) that proceed from the centre of the galaxy (diagonal flows) as well as the 4 directions of the temple. (I dare say however that the temple in the heavens has rather more than 4 directions.)
>The four 'blades' out fom the centre brings to mind the Fylfot.
An interesting thought. Is the energy structure represented actually rotating? Probably so and the yin-yang symbol would suggest that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 17:43:33 GMT 9.5
> In my view it is intended to represent the 4 rivers (of Eden) that proceed from the centre of the galaxy (diagonal flows) as well as the 4 directions of the temple. I fully agree, I also think that it is a template, in a manner of speaking, a pattern, repeated at every level including the beginning of the Universe. > An interesting thought. Is the energy structure represented actually rotating? Probably so and the yin-yang symbol would suggest that. I feel that it is, part of this is a sort of fourfold stable structure, and also there is movement, I think that rotation or circulation or even perambulation might be ways of describing it. perhaps this is one view on it? and with that I would like to put forward the idea of flow inwards as well as outwards, though not necessarily at the same time, somewhat like a heart, a pump is an accurate analogy I believe. Possibly the four rivers in the yin yang diagram are shown to be turning back? What are the 'hooks' at the end of the flows outwards? > I dare say however that the temple in the heavens has rather more than 4 directions. I agree, it brings to my mind the question "what is a direction?", clearly, in potential all directions all-ready exist, but perhaps something has to form in order for a direction to go from being potential to traversable (?)
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 8, 2015 13:05:22 GMT 9.5
> What shape would any of you guys give to symbolize life?
You probably could say that all shapes symbolize life in some way. Mathematics may be the blueprint of the universe and all nature.
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Post by paul on Aug 9, 2015 11:51:12 GMT 9.5
>> What shape would any of you guys give to symbolize life?
I wonder about spirals that slow to form polygons.
Perhaps circular (e.g. compasses) anchoring in a tetragon (e.g. square)
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 9, 2015 12:26:01 GMT 9.5
I would agree with spirals, circles and squares in various ways. The triangle folding down into the square symbolises spirit coming down into matter which is significant for humanity.
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Post by elijah on Aug 10, 2015 9:31:43 GMT 9.5
>> What shape would any of you guys give to symbolize life? I wonder about spirals that slow to form polygons. Perhaps circular (e.g. compasses) anchoring in a tetragon (e.g. square) i would say the figure 8 is very significant when symbolizing the life energy i have seen it in altered states pretty much flow into all flat surfaces and when it spirals into vertical direction we get organic 3d forms for example trees plants dna ...i think the square is the anchor for energy with the 90 degree angle holding much significance on a earthly plane...
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Post by paul on Aug 10, 2015 10:20:47 GMT 9.5
I have seen light-dark bodies pulsating in a figure 8 formation. One end expands while the other contracts. This may be common for all entities - breathing both yin and yang flows
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Post by fjrogers on Aug 10, 2015 14:31:56 GMT 9.5
I think an egg (oval) shape is another one that symbolises life; perhaps also an almond shape. The egg shape has a few meanings such as: eternity, birth, the seed and continuous cycles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 4:38:01 GMT 9.5
>> What shape would any of you guys give to symbolize life? I wonder about spirals that slow to form polygons. Perhaps circular (e.g. compasses) anchoring in a tetragon (e.g. square) I understand that angle of inclination figures into what you explain here
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