Bro stepnwolf ... re stirring up the bees nest - just coincidental, we opened up this forum at the same time. Anyway - look at this way, a bees job is to search out for honey
Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting…trailing clouds of glory do we come from God, who is our home -Wordsworth
What does worry me is how the world will judge all of Masonry, if brothers cannot work in harmony.
Stepnwolf I can help answer that and it is not good.
I have been knocking about masonic forums for about 13-15 years now. And here is just some of the stuff that hasn't reflected well on Freemasonry.
1. At one time a long time ago now I was iirc the most prolific poster at a very well respected masonic forum. They tolerated me, which is good. Infact I dont really have any complaints about them. But something happened - many masons (I think dozens) wanted to talk about eoterics, and the forum came down hard on it. The result was a break away, with a large part of the forum membership starting a new forum, leaving the non-esoterics behind. I myself was between a rock and a hard place - for I only like to post at one masonic forum at a time (there is an esoteric reason for this - a combination of time management and energy). Anyhow I was been "encouraged" quite strongly to go to the new forum, but I felt a loyalty to the old one, so I stayed for about 6 more months, before a combination of encouragement from members of the new forum, and getting tired about reading about rank, promotions, dinner, etc made me bite the bullet and leave. Though the final straw was a specific action of a moderator towards some issue or another. (fair play it was his choice). Over my final year there I witnessed a lot of inter masonic disharmony.
2. Lots of intervening arguments, disputes, and behaviour that I struggled to reconcile with the primary tenet, or the third.
3. A few years ago I posted on the David Icke forum, masonic section, and you would not believe the sheer darkness of some masons towards each other (and me at times). But when you watch one mason being ganged up on by other masons it really is appalling. Masons go there to educate on the craft yet all to often they simply show how much of a say do gap exists between the theory and the practice. Though to be fair I got picked on so much there that one mason apologized to me privately for the behaviour of his brothers, and I was laid into a lot by some masons, so I may not be seeing straight. That said some of the masons there are some of the nicest masons I have ever interacted with online.
Stepnwolf, whether it is English based masonry with its anti esoteric stance (even though some lodges are decisively esoteric and through the centuries have published to this effect though I hear that there is a clampdown) or French based masonry with its fractures, it is clear that something is wrong in the masonic world. And that is a say-do gap as big as my belly. ;D Its cause is human nature and possibly as with many things in life putting money before anything else. The solution is simple - apply the tenets better. But I doubt few masonic leaders have that much balls as if they got it wrong further fractures would occur as people take the huff at being told that their behaviour is a disgrace. (by behaviour I mean simply lack of tolerance, lack of kindness, lack of striving for truth).
Paul might be right the masonic world as we know it today might have had its day, in terms of being a guardian of the ancient mysteries and as has happened many times through history when vessels become inadequate new vessels are found, but where I disagree with Paul is that I dont necessarily think that there will be a new form of Masonry anytime soon, I think that it will simply, as it has been, flow directly into people, bypassing the masonic structures altogether. Until the masonic house is in better order again. But again when you look at what happens to masonic leaders (eg Lord Northampton) who stand up and say "things need to change" look what happens (ok he meddled with RA etc as well).
Just now the masonic world does a lot of good in our world. But it is also a laughing stock and distrusted by people who, quite frankly, are on the same quest, just through the "new age".
You, Stephnwolf need to have a Bilderberg type meeting where your masonic high hied yins get together and try to work better together for the common good, where you admit to the darkness that has penetrated and, just as I did myself 15 years ago, decide to walk positively forwards out of it. I sadly am not holding my breath and expect that you will continue to choose a slow deathly decline. But that is the masonic worlds choice. A sad one.
Last Edit: May 30, 2013 16:59:32 GMT 9.5 by stewartedwards
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Who am I trying to kid for I can’t even resolve family darkness. Whoever is next to step up, please do.
I had a dream a few weeks back that my mind had spawned producing 2 more entities. They appeared as moderately regular elongated jelly shapes with a fairly deep green at one end changing to a yellow gold by the other end.
Whence does your mind come? Has it been cleared before implanting? How would you know?
It seems to me that this is an important topic for humans wishing to claim the experience of free will. The process may be triggered by intending to understand whence comes one's mind.
The mind dwells on all levels of the tree of life. The inner school influences the mind of humanity according the evolutionary development of people as individuals.
Distant peaks emerge....clear as day. The hermit's lantern turns to guide the way. Hermit's Way - F. J. Rogers
>The mind dwells on all levels of the tree of life.
As always it rather depends on what is meant by mind.
If you consider a Tree of Life for each of the 4 worlds, then it is reasonable to say the human mind exists in the 3rd world and therefore maps across most of that Tree. www.yashanet.com/studies/revstudy/rev6.htm
But I am not sure that you can make that statement for the other worlds. It seems to me that the human mind operates in a fairly narrow band that we call the mental plane.
Human intelligence, however, (or at least the intelligences supplied to most humans) potentially operates in much wider spectrum than the mental plane
The fellow seems brain hard wired like an one in a million cases Non Standard wiring ...
Do you find it useful to distinguish the mind from the brain? I think of the various cases of near death, where electrical brain function has ceased but the resuscitated human can remember what happened when the brain was not apparently functioning?
Does the brain have non-electrical modes? Does the mind not always use the brain?
Post by fjrogers on Sept 18, 2016 15:28:55 GMT 9.5
You could say that the microcosm is the image of the macrocosm. As above, so below. Consider the 10 spheres on the Tree of Life.
The will of humanity is in fact the will of God, but it is often distracted and misguided by illusion. The human mind unites with God when it is sufficiently evolved to overcome all illusion and know reality.
People probably respond to hypnotism and brain washing depending on their spiritual development and conditioning over a number of lives.
Distant peaks emerge....clear as day. The hermit's lantern turns to guide the way. Hermit's Way - F. J. Rogers
From observation of the human race that is not so obvious. I wonder if the human race has yet to make a decision regarding alignment with the will of God.
>People probably respond to hypnotism and brain washing depending on their spiritual development and conditioning over a number of lives.
No doubt that is true.
It seems to me that since few humans can control their minds then it is not clear that the minds attached to human can really be called their own.
So how is it that the minds attached to humans are not self-clearing at each reboot?