How is a mind created?

[paul]

How is a mind created?

Does the Creator make every mind when required?

Is there a great storehouse of minds waiting for use?

Is there only one mind that all humans share while believing themselves capable of individual thought?

Why are some minds apparently of higher quality almost from birth?

[LorrB]

One mind - all share.
Quality? Correct choices made over many, many life times. Once bitten twice shy.
My philosophy in a nut shell

[paul]

>One mind - all share.

Some of our past posters might be upset at the idea that their minds are not their own. What then for free will?

I could consider that water on Earth is all one - and yet I can take a bucket of water and keep it separately and give it properties that the rest of the water does not have - e.g. make it pink.

>Quality? Correct choices made over many, many life times.

Not use but choice?

[LorrB]

One uses one's mind to make choices.
One chooses to study this subject or that.
The subconscious mind reminds us of consequences as does our every day consciousness.
Liked your 'water is one but can be different' analogy.
Water can also be steam or ice, maybe we individuals are condensed mind

[LorrB]

..or should I say solidified mind.

[paul]

Perhaps the question should have been more precise: How is the personal mind created?

[New Scientist]

"The great illusion of the self"

See special edition www.newscientist.com/special/self

[paul]

So is the mind an illusion?

What then forms belief?

[paul]

I had a dream a few weeks back that my mind had spawned producing 2 more entities. They appeared as moderately regular elongated jelly shapes with a fairly deep green at one end changing to a yellow gold by the other end.

In the dream the 2 new entities were gone and I went in search. One was held by an old school friend I have not seen in 15 years. He gave it back quite happily. The other was harder to find. Twice I was offered fakes that I rejected and putting pressure on a person in the dream found that the other entity had been sent to a research institute.

When I woke I thought about what to do with the 2 new minds. Inwardly I offered them to 2 friends and they took them immediately.

A couple of weeks later I met one of the friends and asked him if his mental flow was different in the last 2 weeks. He immediately understood the question and said that he was taking his work much less seriously now and making jokes with customers.

The other friend is going through rapid reconsideration of her life and formation of new objectives. Her acquisition of what appears to be a new mind is consistent with her process but it is difficult to separate out what the effects might be.

That dream may answer the question of the thread, but I do not recall seeing the topic addressed before - unless it is in A Treatise on Cosmic Fire.

www.light-weaver.com/fire/toc.html

[stepnwolf]

This discussion reminds me of a Sci Fi novel I read years ago. In the distant past an alien lands on earth and appears to be a green blob sitting on a low branch of a tree. A bumbling creature, hairy, drooling and of pitiful of aspect, bumps against the tree and dislodges the alien, who falls on the head of the animal who will be called man.

Crawling into the ear of man, the alien finds a comfortable spot in man's brain where it has lived ever since. The offspring of the alien are transferred to the children of man and are then called mind.

[paul]

>the alien finds a comfortable spot in man's brain where it has lived ever since.

This is explored in more detail in the thread: Whose thought is that?

[LorrB]

I read A Treatise on Cosmic Fire (Pauls link above) several decades ago - I loved it even though a lot of it went over my head at the time (and still does). But as outlandish as some parts might seem, when I read it way back then it was like a remembering.

I just went in a picked a piece at random... amazing how many Masonic symbols, signs, etc I recognised. Have just highlight a few. Must revisit a few other sections and see if the same holds true.

The Atomic Triangle

The causal sheath is to the clairvoyant therefore a sphere of vibrant living substance; within it can be seen three fiery points. At the heart of the sphere is a central blaze of light, emitting [514] rays; these rays are given as seven in number, and play upon these points or circles (analogous to the electrons in the atoms of science) and at this stage produce most effect upon the astral permanent atom. The physical permanent atom has a position relatively close to the positive center, and the force plays through it, and passes on to the astral permanent atom in the form of five rays of parti-colored light which blend with the intensely vivid hue of the astral permanent atom, and increase its intensity until the blaze is so excessive that it appears to the onlooker as if the two points blended, or the two electrons merged, and (in merging) produce such an intensity of light that they are seen as dissolving. The mental unit, having a position within the causal body analogous to the planet furthermost from the sun, becomes vibrant likewise, and the two other points (considered now as one) begin to interact with the mental unit, and a similar process is set up and is pursued until these two points - circulating around their positive center - also approach each other, blend, merge, and dissolve. The center of positive life gathers or synthesizes the three points, and thus the three fires of the personality repeat on their tiny scale the microcosmic procedure as seen in the synthesis of electric fire, solar fire, and fire by friction, and only a blazing unit is left. This blazing unit, through the combined heat of its being, burns up the causal body, and escapes back on to the planes of abstraction. Thus man is the Path itself, and also the pilgrim upon the Path; thus does he burn, but is also the burning-ground.

The analogy holds true in the case of the microcosm viewed from monadic levels in his manifestation as Monad, Ego and Personality, and thus the process is carried on as it concerns a Heavenly Man, and likewise a solar Logos. Should the brain suffice to hold the concept, thus [515] is the process also on cosmic levels for such high existences as the seven Rishis of the Great Bear, and that still greater Being, the ONE ABOUT WHOM NOUGHT MAY BE SAID.

Emphasis mine.

[paul]

There is a thread on "the one about whom naught may be said"

a406.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=esononmas&thread=257&page=1

[stepnwolf]

Mar 3, 2013 7:57:24 GMT 9.5 paul said:

>One mind - all share.

Some of our past posters might be upset at the idea that their minds are not their own. What then for free will?

I thought I had responded to this, but maybe not. As it has happened many times before, a poster's remark started me to examine my own belief on the subject. Basically I agree with Lorr on one mind.

To put a finer point on it, we are allowed the illusion of independent minds because we serve the One better that way. Looking at it in purely mechanical terms, we are data collectors or generators in service to the King, so to speak. It is reckless to attribute qualities like desire, thought, etc. to the Supreme Being, but it seems that “it” experienced an urge to explore the extent of his potentiality.

Could it be that our existence is to explore that potentiality? Our illusionary sense of individuality motivates us to search, experience, create. As Paul has said, such an idea would be repulsive to some of us, but which would be a more glorious fate, being the ruler of a planet or cooperating in the universal plan?

We have become accustomed to the illusion of self. Most of us are unwilling to give it up. But that is what happens when we are released from the wheel of life and death. In Indian religions it is called moksha = letting go and that is also letting go of self, of an independent mind.

[LorrB]

I have a suspicion that merged minds retain the sense of 'being themselves'

[paul]

>we are allowed the illusion of independent minds because we serve the One better that way

Equally the substance of our physical bodies is temporarily and partially separated from the pool of dense matter. Is the independent use of physical bodies only an illusion?

What then for possession by another entity? Who is kidding whom?

[paul]

It seems from the discussion above that there is no creation of individual minds, that the new mind is a temporary borrowing of substance, with no separate identity.

When I look at political and religious movements over the centuries that explanation does not seem so useful at explaining the mental and physical conflicts that arise.

For example, what was the Dancing Plague of 1518?

"The Dancing Plague of 1518 was a case of dancing mania that occurred in Strasbourg, Alsace (then part of the Holy Roman Empire) in July 1518. Numerous people took to dancing for days without rest, and, over the period of about one month, some of the people died from heart attack, stroke, or exhaustion."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_Plague_of_1518

How does that occur if there is only one mind?

[paul]

Thinking of Bach's fugues where the motif can be played forwards, backwards, upside down, half speed and double speed - all that the same time and still be more than harmonious - I am inclined to wonder if the human mind is actually a joint venture with more than one intelligence present.

Sometimes there are guest intelligences of quite some magnitude.

[LorrB]

"I'm in two minds about.."

"I'm wresting with my conscience"

"I'm arguing with myself"

"Wow, where did that thought come from"

"I didn't say that, "

"oh, shut up Lorraine"

On the up side, I have sometimes read stuff here and elsewhere that I have written and it has seemed to me that it is the first time I have read it ?? (It was really good ;D )

[paul]

It is a common experience that there are multiple parts/intelligences/voices/threads in a human.

How do we tell which if any is the mind inherited by the new born human?