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Post by Sybil on May 23, 2013 18:19:10 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on May 23, 2013 19:00:14 GMT 9.5
This not so much alternate personalities as multiple threads competing for bandwidth. It is widely expressed in the English language e.g. I got out of bed on the wrong side, I was not myself, I don't understand myself.
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Post by stewartedwards on May 24, 2013 6:24:59 GMT 9.5
Another way to look at thi is:-
1. A child considering stealling a chocolate bar. He/she knows it is wrong but wants it (desire). yet another part of them (their conscience) tells them it is wrong.
2. Someone wanting to ask someone else out on a date. Part of you feels "corrrr blimey I would love to" yet part might say "but what if he/she says no?"
And so on.
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Post by paul on May 24, 2013 7:37:51 GMT 9.5
One of the matters that interests me is how different are people's minds - especially considering the minds are made from the same substance.
Some people are curious and constantly look for new theories and new evidence and yet others seem to resent disturbance of existing thought patterns and/or cling to what they were taught when young.
This is seen not only in esoteric areas but in all walks of life.
How might that arise?
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Post by metaphor on May 24, 2013 20:12:43 GMT 9.5
It is widely expressed in the English language e.g. I got out of bed on the wrong side, I was not myself, I don't understand myself. Mind has breadth and depth. It is not one dimensional.
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Post by paul on May 24, 2013 21:30:24 GMT 9.5
Mind has breadth and depth. It is not one dimensional. Depth and breadth give us a 2 dimensional mind. Are there yet more dimensions? And is structure the only determinant of the quality of mind?
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Post by unsplit mind on May 25, 2013 18:39:09 GMT 9.5
Mind is unified. The perception that it is not is pathological.
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Post by paul on May 25, 2013 19:40:43 GMT 9.5
>Mind is unified.
And 2 dimensional?
That seems rather more limited than I would like.
>The perception that it is not is pathological.
Can just anyone vote on what is pathological?
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Post by stewartedwards on May 26, 2013 0:44:33 GMT 9.5
Mind is unified. The perception that it is not is pathological. unsplit mind, genuine question - how do you account for all those occassions when people are split between doing the right and the wrong thing? Or wanting to take a chance yet fearing it, as in the examples I gave earlier?
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Post by stepnwolf on May 26, 2013 1:17:21 GMT 9.5
Mind is unified. The perception that it is not is pathological. unsplit mind, genuine question - how do you account for all those occassions when people are split between doing the right and the wrong thing? Or wanting to take a chance yet fearing it, as in the examples I gave earlier? The mind is such an ambiguous word. With one definition we could entertain the idea that it could be split into mind/brain or mind/body. Or we could say that mind is composed of 1) conscious, 2) preconscious and 3) unconscious elements. And we could add to the mix Jung's collective unconscious and the Shadow ( denied unconscious material). In the case cited, the mind is one. The way it appears to the conscious mind depends on which aspect of the total mind is working. Or, at least that's the way it looks to me. When we say “I am of two minds” what we are really saying is “I am aware of two activities of my one mind, which may be antagonistic to each other.” In a psychiatric situation the patient may deny any part in the prohibited behavior. We can point to the Shadow as the source of the behavior, or to an entity that has taken over behavior. It may be either but the treatment would probably be the same. Harking back to one of my favorite concepts of “as if,” we can choose either explanation and work with it “as if” it alone had validity – with probably equal success or failure.
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Post by Siddhartha Gautama on May 26, 2013 18:18:23 GMT 9.5
Can just anyone vote on what is pathological? Great spiritual teachers throughout the ages have stressed spiritual integration or mental unity and the importance of its recognition.
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Post by paul on May 26, 2013 18:29:52 GMT 9.5
>>Mind is unified.
>Great spiritual teachers throughout the ages have stressed spiritual integration
It seems that integration (unification) is not so easy to achieve.
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Post by unity on May 26, 2013 20:02:59 GMT 9.5
It seems that integration (unification) is not so easy to achieve. Our mental condition IS one of integration we do not need to achieve it. What some find difficult to achieve is the recognition of this reality.
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Post by paul on May 26, 2013 20:15:37 GMT 9.5
>Our mental condition IS one of integration we do not need to achieve it.
So what were the "great spiritual teachers" thinking that they needed to teach?
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Post by unity on May 26, 2013 20:37:35 GMT 9.5
So what were the "great spiritual teachers" thinking that they needed to teach? Mental health.
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Post by recognition on May 26, 2013 20:39:26 GMT 9.5
So what were the "great spiritual teachers" thinking that they needed to teach? What some find difficult to achieve is the recognition of this reality.
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Post by paul on May 27, 2013 10:03:13 GMT 9.5
So what were the "great spiritual teachers" thinking that they needed to teach? Mental health. If I understand your position the mind can be unhealthy but cannot be split and cannot be entered by other intelligences (viruses). Is it possible to treat mental problems with chemicals?
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Post by Chlorpromazine on May 27, 2013 18:41:09 GMT 9.5
Is it possible to treat mental problems with chemicals? Chemical treatments may form a part of therapy.
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Post by paul on May 27, 2013 19:04:31 GMT 9.5
So would the great spiritual teachers support chemically-based mental health treatments?
Or were the spiritual teachers teaching something more profound?
For example Jesus cast out demons.
Mark 5 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. 9And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. 10And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. 11Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
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Post by Dramaturge on May 27, 2013 19:21:12 GMT 9.5
So would the great spiritual teachers support chemically-based mental health treatments? If it worked. Due to lack of effective chemicals they seem to have had to rely on various talking therapies and dramatic effects, including placebos like purporting to cast out demons.
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