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Post by paul on May 27, 2013 19:30:42 GMT 9.5
>including placebos like purporting to cast out demons.
So do demons exist at all?
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Post by Legion on May 27, 2013 19:49:04 GMT 9.5
So do demons exist at all? Define demons.
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Post by paul on May 27, 2013 20:10:39 GMT 9.5
"Demon deus inversus est" probably suffices as a first definition.
Then one might consider individual demons - measure them on darkness scales, planes of activity, the kingdom to which the individual specimen belongs, its sponsorship and related functional impulse, karmic relationships if any and multi-path existences.
From this one might develop a taxonomy of demons.
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Post by Abstraction on May 27, 2013 20:44:52 GMT 9.5
"Demon deus inversus est" probably suffices as a first definition. Then one might consider individual demons - measure them on darkness scales, planes of activity, the kingdom to which the individual specimen belongs, its sponsorship and related functional impulse, karmic relationships if any and multi-path existences. From this one might develop a taxonomy of demons. You contradict yourself. If demon is God inverted then there is one demon - Hardly sufficient for a taxonomy. I grant that there are various often contradictory abstract concepts of demon as there are of God.
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Post by paul on May 27, 2013 20:49:24 GMT 9.5
We each make our own observations of the inner worlds and conduct ourselves accordingly.
I have quite an interest in the dark side.
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Post by Darth Vader on May 27, 2013 20:52:53 GMT 9.5
We each make our own observations of the inner worlds and conduct ourselves accordingly. I have quite an interest in the dark side. You appear to confuse the inner and outer worlds.
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Post by paul on May 28, 2013 5:31:47 GMT 9.5
>You appear to confuse the inner and outer worlds.
In some world views the inner and the outer interpenetrate each other as in a spectrum from spirit to matter. For example: When you have seen me you have seen the Father for I live in Him and He in me.
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Post by interpenetration on May 28, 2013 20:34:35 GMT 9.5
In some world views the inner and the outer interpenetrate each other as in a spectrum from spirit to matter. For example: When you have seen me you have seen the Father for I live in Him and He in me. Interpenetration is not the same as a shared identity.
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Post by paul on May 28, 2013 20:45:37 GMT 9.5
>Interpenetration is not the same as a shared identity.
Quite so but at least we have deal with your issue about confusing the inner and the outer - they interpenetrate and of course resonate based on numerical relationships.
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Post by One mind on May 28, 2013 20:54:50 GMT 9.5
>Interpenetration is not the same as a shared identity. Quite so but at least we have deal with your issue about confusing the inner and the outer - they interpenetrate and of course resonate based on numerical relationships. In what way have we deal or dealt with that issue of confusion? Please describe what you mean by "resonate based on numerical relationships" and explain why you say "of course."
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Post by paul on May 29, 2013 7:55:33 GMT 9.5
>Please describe what you mean by "resonate based on numerical relationships"
As we know all is vibration (interpenetrated by intelligence). Hence there are harmonies between the octaves of existence - that can be understood in terms of numerical relationships.
Having learned to ascend that mysterious ladder veiled by Jacob's Ladder it is possible to use those numerical relationships to accentuate or diminish particular energies and manifestations.
For example a person struggling with trauma on the second subplane of the emotional (6.2) might rise out of that easily if presented with a higher resonating energy - typically 5.2 (love petals of the soul body) or 4.6 (2nd lowest subplane of the heart) (The numerical relationships are obvious.)
Thus the practitioner could try manifesting those frequencies in turn to see to which the person responded most easily. If there were insufficient response the practitioner might then address the intelligences involved.
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Post by Dogbert on May 29, 2013 17:20:02 GMT 9.5
Again you presume to quantify the unquantifiable.
Where is your proof?
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Post by paul on May 29, 2013 17:30:54 GMT 9.5
Before I experienced I had no proof. My experiences started about age 20 and later I was shown the underlying techniques. With my experiences over some decades and the shared experiences of others I have more proof than I need.
Each of us lives life as best we see fit - seeking out that which we need.
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Post by Carl Sagan on May 29, 2013 17:37:36 GMT 9.5
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
With such evidence it would be more reasonable to assume you are deluded.
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Post by paul on May 29, 2013 17:55:52 GMT 9.5
I have had my own extraordinary evidence and am able to exchange knowledge with those who also have had their own extraordinary evidence.
We are content.
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Post by delusional on May 29, 2013 21:29:09 GMT 9.5
Speak for yourself. I am not content while ever you are bringing the Craft into disrepute by airing your delusions and publicly associating them with Freemasonry.
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2013 10:05:41 GMT 9.5
Speak for yourself. I am not content while ever you are bringing the Craft into disrepute by airing your delusions and publicly associating them with Freemasonry. Dear 'Bro delusional' - your alter ego 'Bro adept' gave a one word answer to paul on the Ritual for a new Masonry thread - when he asked : So what is the fabled Masonic science? Bro adept simply stated . . . Brotherhood. I think 'Bro adept' was correct. Brotherhood ( of Mankind) is what we try to practice here. If we don't agree with each other on some topic or the other - it doesn't matter! We form wonderful relationships over time. GREAT friends who, although we might never meet, respect and honour each other with ready ear and open heart. Won't you join us?
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Post by stepnwolf on May 30, 2013 12:05:48 GMT 9.5
I take full responsibility for stirring up the bees nest by posting an appeal for peace to a Bro. on another forum, which has resulted in a flurry of disruptive posts here. It appears that there is no antidote for righteous indignation, neither an apology, nor invoking the FPOF. It grieves me to witness the failure of our beloved Craft to heal the wounds that have disturbed the tranquility of our labors. He has failed to see that what appears as censorship to him is merely and effort to maintain the peace and tranquility of this group of seekers.
He says in part, “I reserve the right to call them to account.” As a human being he has that right, but as a Bro. he is reminded to keep his remarks within due bounds, which he has failed to do.
I don't worry about what our group's presentation of Freemasonry will do to the Craft's reputation in the world. The world hardly notices us. What does worry me is how the world will judge all of Masonry, if brothers cannot work in harmony.
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Post by paul on May 30, 2013 12:29:56 GMT 9.5
>What does worry me is how the world will judge all of Masonry, if brothers cannot work in harmony.
And in my observation the greater Light retreats rather than be distorted by disharmony. What point in belonging to such a lodge?
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Post by LorrB on May 30, 2013 13:59:54 GMT 9.5
Good thing Jesus didn't think that way
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