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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 8:07:44 GMT 9.5
The King of Terrors occurs once in the Bible - Job 18:14 Here is the Young's Literal Translation. 11 Round about terrified him have terrors, And they have scattered him -- at his feet. 12 Hungry is his sorrow, And calamity is ready at his side. 13 It consumeth the parts of his skin, Consume his parts doth death's first-born. 14 Drawn from his tent is his confidence, And it causeth him to step to the king of terrors. 15 It dwelleth in his tent -- out of his provender, Scattered over his habitation is sulphur. 16 From beneath his roots are dried up, And from above cut off is his crop. 17 His memorial hath perished from the land, And he hath no name on the street. 18 They thrust him from light unto darkness, And from the habitable earth cast him out. 19 He hath no continuator, Nor successor among his people, And none is remaining in his dwellings. 20 At this day westerns have been astonished And easterns have taken fright. So there are various terrors "at his feet" then he is taken to the King of Terrors. His name will be lost and all his descendents gone. The western people have been astonished and the eastern people taken fright. The usual explanation is that the King of Terrors is death and reference to terrors around his feet ignored. So too the astonishment that western people should have at a death. In the Hebrew version the word is translated as "appalled" biblos.com/job/18-20.htmWhat then is the King of Terrors that he brings an appalling fate in which all successors are destroyed? How is trampling under foot relevant?
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Post by LorrB on Feb 21, 2012 9:03:23 GMT 9.5
Obviously the King of Terrors is not physical, for how can something physical destroy something that has not been brought into manifestation?
I am more inclined to look on the King of Terrors as That which decides the soul stream of the individual is not viable.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 21, 2012 9:06:25 GMT 9.5
But somewhere at the back of my mind I think that after the non viable is 'composted' a new 'seed' arises which is more viable.
Nothing is destroyed just amended, changed ...
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 9:13:55 GMT 9.5
How do we know that the King of Terrors is not physical? What about trampling underfoot?
Further, what is it that destroys all the descendents and appalls the people in the west?
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Post by LorrB on Feb 21, 2012 10:33:51 GMT 9.5
The Virgin Mary is shown trampling the Serpent underfoot. "Consume his parts doth death's first-born" - Death has a first born? Makes sense when his parts are the material body and it goes first. The first death, there is a second. "From beneath his roots are dried up, And from above cut off is his crop" - this sounds akin to the parable about the seed which is dropped on good soil and rocks etc. "At this day westerns have been astonished And easterns have taken fright" - the westerns (us) are astonished to find we still live albeit in a changed state.... the easterns know what comes next, the life review and self judgement. The thought of that frightens me a little also, more than death itself.
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 11:00:45 GMT 9.5
Here is Krishna stepping on a serpent with his left foot.
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 11:05:41 GMT 9.5
Here Isis is on the left standing on the serpent - as are the other gods - but the central figure is perhaps standing on a crocodile.
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 11:08:45 GMT 9.5
Interestingly in the hieroglyphs a cobra is often used to represent Isis.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 21, 2012 11:29:09 GMT 9.5
Isis and Cobra = Kundalini (The Divorced Woman or Widow) ?
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 21, 2012 11:34:43 GMT 9.5
Here is Krishna stepping on a serpent with his left foot. This is the Boy Krishna dancing on the head of the 5-headed serpent Kaliya, who had devoured many of his fellow cowherds. Kaliya's daughters begged Krishna to spare their father, and Krishna agreed, after making Kaliya disgorge the boys, who emerged alive and well
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 21, 2012 11:36:57 GMT 9.5
Here Isis is on the left standing on the serpent - as are the other gods - but the central figure is perhaps standing on a crocodile. This is Hoor-par-kraat, the Child Horus. Crowley mentions him in "Magick Without Tears" as "standing on two crocodiles".
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 12:19:07 GMT 9.5
So standing (trampling?) on serpent(s) is an important part of being a god.
Is that what is referred to by trampling the king of terrors?
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Post by LorrB on Feb 21, 2012 12:55:57 GMT 9.5
Sobek was said to be the king of the crocodiles and represented the four elements. Horus had four sons which Sobek caught in a net... ? (the Matrix ) The image above could be seen as representing someone who had Mastered the four elements... ie become godlike? The central figure has the Serpent Power in hand... whereas the gods either side have mastered even that. www.touregypt.net/featurestories/sobek.htm
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Post by LorrB on Feb 21, 2012 13:03:06 GMT 9.5
So standing (trampling?) on serpent(s) is an important part of being a god. Is that what is referred to by trampling the king of terrors? Hunters like to be pictured with a foot standing on their dead (mastered) prey. Sign of mastering ? The Left is significant for me... I understand and experience it as being the side related to Spirit and that which is 'over' and 'above'. Left foot forward = allow God to lead and guide. Thy Will not mine. Maybe the left foot signifies that the identity has allowed the Spirit in him to rule and master ... ? The centre from which one cannot err .. ?
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Post by Henka on Feb 21, 2012 13:21:35 GMT 9.5
Interestingly in the hieroglyphs a cobra is often used to represent Isis. This is not a hieroglyph, but a Greco-Roman representation. The cult of Isis extended all the way to the British Isles.
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 13:34:20 GMT 9.5
I just saved a few words - the pottery representation being more interesting than the hieroglyph.
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 13:35:38 GMT 9.5
.. The Left is significant for me... I understand and experience it as being the side related to Spirit .... In the Egyptian tradition it seems the left foot was used to trample the wax images of Apep - represented as a serpent. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep
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Post by stewartedwards on Feb 21, 2012 17:26:02 GMT 9.5
So standing (trampling?) on serpent(s) is an important part of being a god. Is that what is referred to by trampling the king of terrors? Ummmm Paul, this causes me a little difficulty as my own personal life experiences would suggest that it is far better to unite with all beings, including serpents, than to hurt/kill/master them. About the only way that I can make sense of trampling on serpents is if you were in the earlier stages of mastering and knowing yourself when I could see how it could help you progress or keep you firmly grounded on the material plane depending on how it went. Trampling the King of Terrors I can sense more positively as an essential part of coming to know yourself. But to equate the king of terrors with serpents is strange to me, and snakes used to be one of my primary phobias, and it was extreme, now I can comfortably hold at least some of them (not sure I would want to hold one that was in a bad mood and in my own little way connect with some of them. In fact all those years I spent learning to face this fear catapulted my esoteric growth enormously. Anyhow all said I do think that the union of mutual respect and the willingness to work together in the worlds is the better option over trying to master them. Better to master yourself.
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2012 18:34:49 GMT 9.5
Stewart If you consider the possibility that the gods of Egypt were physical then Apep may be physical too - the rituals being a later commemoration of a great struggle. "Apep led an army of demons that preyed on the living and the dead. To defeat this malevolent force a ritual known as "Banishing Apep" was conducted annually by the priests of Ra. An effigy of Apep was taken into the temple and imbued with all of the evil of the land. The effigy was then beaten, crushed smeared with mud and burned. Other rituals involved the creation of a wax model of the serpent which was ritually dismembered and the burning of a papyrus bearing an image of the snake." www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/apep.html
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Post by LorrB on Feb 22, 2012 7:01:03 GMT 9.5
Apep, the physical, is leading an army of demons. the non-physical? Also what you quoted refers to Apep as being part of a malevolent force. Lastly, how can a physical entity prey on the dead? ................ Having said all that, I was listening to a youtube channelling of Silver Birch on the nature of being. When Silver Birch talks there is a very distinct exaggeration of every 'S' uttered. It quite surprised me, it was so exaggerated one could not ignore it. Have a listen. What he was saying was all good and stuff I am quite familiar with.. but the 'Sss'?!
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