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Post by jackjack on Jul 25, 2012 14:22:54 GMT 9.5
Be careful how you answer...
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Post by paul on Jul 25, 2012 14:31:10 GMT 9.5
... Now, let's talk about Christ being anointed by a woman; to my knowledge, nowhere in the scriptures do you find that Christ was anointed by a woman. Now, maybe the Gnostic gospels say so but not the scriptures. Got a Bible verse you'd like to share that says Jesus was anointed with power and might by a woman? Mark 14 New International Version (NIV) 3 While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. 4 Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? 5 It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.
6 “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. 8 She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. 9 Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”
It seems that Jesus was wrong about "wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told"
Odd too that the woman used oil worth a year's wages but we are not told who she was. She must have been very wealthy and hence part of the nobility.
Equally odd, we are given no clue as to why she thought it a good idea. Clearly the disciples had no idea what was going on.
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Post by paul on Jul 25, 2012 14:38:36 GMT 9.5
You know Paul, different people sacrificed their lives copying the Bible into what we have today. First it was translated into German, then into English. I thought it was originally in Aramaic and Greek, and the Old Testament in Hebrew. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_AramaicOne of the earliest translations was the Vulgate: In 382, Pope Damascus therefore commissioned Jerome (c. 347-420) to translate the Bible into Latin, gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/translations.stm
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Post by jackjack on Jul 25, 2012 14:47:39 GMT 9.5
One more thing I wanted to clarify; the Bible verses that I use sometimes are used during the initiation into different masonic degrees. When I use them, I want you all to understand that I am in no way refer to masonic orders or degrees.
The only way to know what the verses I use mean is by going to the Bible and looking at the verses themselves in their own context.
Sorry I didn't clarify this sooner but now I have so there will be no more confusion.
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Post by jackjack on Jul 25, 2012 14:49:48 GMT 9.5
You know Paul, different people sacrificed their lives copying the Bible into what we have today. First it was translated into German, then into English. I thought it was originally in Aramaic and Greek, and the Old Testament in Hebrew. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_AramaicOne of the earliest translations was the Vulgate: In 382, Pope Damascus therefore commissioned Jerome (c. 347-420) to translate the Bible into Latin, gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/translations.stmLol yes; it was originally in old school Hebrew, then Aramaic, then latin, then german, then english. And yes, the Latin Vulgate was part of the Received Text, which was a collection of manuscripts that scholars respected.
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Post by jackjack on Jul 25, 2012 15:19:46 GMT 9.5
... Now, let's talk about Christ being anointed by a woman; to my knowledge, nowhere in the scriptures do you find that Christ was anointed by a woman. Now, maybe the Gnostic gospels say so but not the scriptures. Got a Bible verse you'd like to share that says Jesus was anointed with power and might by a woman? Mark 14 New International Version (NIV) 3 While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. 4 Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? 5 It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.
6 “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. 8 She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. 9 Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”
It seems that Jesus was wrong about "wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told"
Odd too that the woman used oil worth a year's wages but we are not told who she was. She must have been very wealthy and hence part of the nobility.
Equally odd, we are given no clue as to why she thought it a good idea. Clearly the disciples had no idea what was going on.Ohh, I see what you're getting at. The purpose of her doing this (even though she wasn't aware of it) was to anoint Him in preparation for His burial. Christ Himself declares Also note that it happened two days before Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For sake of preserving brandwidth, I have decided to post three links explaining what I meant earlier by Him being anointed in power and might: www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+42%3A1-9&version=NLTwww.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+10%3A30-43&version=NLTwww.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202:22-33&version=NLTNow, once again, these verses aren't referring to masonic orders or degrees. If you look at their contexts, they are references to the Messiah.
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Post by paul on Jul 25, 2012 15:32:54 GMT 9.5
.... The purpose of her doing this (even though she wasn't aware of it) was to anoint Him in preparation for His burial. .... Also note that it happened two days before Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. ... I see you have spotted one on the problems with the text. Jesus announces his death and the disciples ignore the announcement, yet a couple of days later are all sad at the thought that one might betray him. And of course it was rather early for a death anointing. The oil would have washed off by then. And was there even a tradition of anointing for death? Kings were anointed to be kings not to be corpses
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Post by jackjack on Jul 25, 2012 15:59:16 GMT 9.5
But that's the thing Paul... The disciples refused to believe that Jesus was going to die; they were looking for a macho man Ubermensch who would rescue them from the Romans and usher in a new age. They knew and believed that He was the Messiah but they thought that He would deliver them from the Roman Empire. Little did they (and the powers that be) realize that Jesus was born to die for the sins of the world and then rise again. After He did though, then they remembered all the things He had told them concerning Himself; now you might say "Well, why did they keep forgetting?" The answer is because every time Christ told them He was going to be handed over to die, they didn't really believe it so they let it go in one ear and out the other. Their Jewish psyche was that when the Messiah would come, He would usher in a new age of peace and prosperity--a kind of age of aquarius if you will. But that wasn't why Christ came at all! He came to die for the sins of the world and when He resurrected afterwards, He had proven to the entire world and all the world's powers that He had conquered the power of sin and death. Here is a good link in regards to Christ's secret agenda for coming to earth: www.wholesomewords.org/etexts/gaebelin/lordof1.htmland another www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+2&version=NKJV
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Post by paul on Jul 25, 2012 17:07:13 GMT 9.5
>He came to die for the sins of the world
And bring a sword to set families against each other?
Matthew 10:34. "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law';
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Post by paul on Jul 26, 2012 8:01:10 GMT 9.5
Perhaps someone else would like to have a go at that one.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 26, 2012 8:47:16 GMT 9.5
Life on Earth is a day/year in school?
Teachers teach and then test the students. Problems are repeatedly presented until successful outcomes are achieved.
Students eventually graduate, some with honours.
(The first three degrees in Freemasonry)
Ever noticed how many people who retire and do nothing (no challenges) die sooner rather than later?
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Post by paul on Jul 26, 2012 8:48:50 GMT 9.5
So what is the sword doing?
Does it relate to the millstone around the neck?
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Post by LorrB on Jul 26, 2012 8:54:27 GMT 9.5
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
35 "For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; Read more: a406.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=esoteric&thread=575&page=7#ixzz21gBjYUOaAbove is the problem to be solved. The test/exam we must pass before graduating. The solution might have something to do with Love and Self Sacrifice .... The Rose upon the Cross.
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Post by paul on Jul 26, 2012 8:58:44 GMT 9.5
So why "set a man against his father"? Is that a god of love?
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Post by LorrB on Jul 26, 2012 9:06:17 GMT 9.5
So what is the sword doing? Does it relate to the millstone around the neck? A Sword signifies Strength (of character rather than brute). A sword signifies Will when held in the right hand, Divine Will when in the left (heart) hand. Had not thought about the millstone around the neck before, but makes sense. We have two 'brains', heart brain and mind brain and communications between the two is advisable - as is the relationship of the left brain/right brain. A 'millstone' might prove to be an impediment. See? God even created our physical bodies with opposites, left/right - above/below - etc/cte Maybe the Plan is Perfect already - just have to work hard at 'job' and allow others to do theirs.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 26, 2012 9:10:12 GMT 9.5
Because every Freemason knows that 'the old codgers' are 'the problem' ;D ;D ;D (sorry old codgers).
Evolution. Old forms must die for new to take shape.
I do not think the Bible should be taken literally. It is full of symbols and allegories, imo and experience.
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Post by paul on Jul 26, 2012 9:14:23 GMT 9.5
I suspect that there are two major threads in the NT. One is conventional love-based Christianity. The other is quite different and is will-based.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 26, 2012 9:41:45 GMT 9.5
Holy politics ...
James beaten by Paul (Saul who set out to persecute Jesus then saw the light? Which light? More that one way to skin a cat?)
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Post by LorrB on Jul 26, 2012 9:43:06 GMT 9.5
NB I like saints except for some of them.
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Post by paul on Sept 16, 2012 14:35:43 GMT 9.5
After the recent installation I was showing a couple of brethren some of the energy flows in the temple. Both could detect the flows at the 3 pedestals and even the one in the North - that in this case was not opposite that in the South.
One of them could detect the "plumbline" descending just in front of the altar.
A little later we did an exercise in the East and one of the brethren found the light from the East rather strong. He said that he was having trouble keeping his footing - even leaning into the flow.
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