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Post by Henka on May 26, 2012 3:15:25 GMT 9.5
But we are still left with an UGLE Mason, in a well respected UGLE lodge (known for high levels of esoteric wisdom) who is stating very clearly:- Split for emphasis. Which lodge, and how, exactly, is he a "high ranking Mason?" In Blue lodge, there is no higher "rank" than Master Mason.
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Post by paul on May 26, 2012 7:26:11 GMT 9.5
Since there is no official authority given in Masonry for esoteric teaching it hardly matters which lodge or grade.
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Post by stewartedwards on May 26, 2012 16:55:40 GMT 9.5
Henka
Perhaps you should ask your very own brother who wrote those words and not me, as I have just quoted him.
I dont suppose that there is any problem in stating the lodge as he discloses it in his book - Living Stones. It is well known about and very well respected. IIRC according to the book you really have to work hard to be a member - it does not appear to be a social club.
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Post by paul on Jul 11, 2012 9:35:42 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Jul 11, 2012 10:19:28 GMT 9.5
Follow the path of peace and tranquility Renounce all attachments And strive for Truth and Freedom alone For the most high beings may yet act through personality The light of the god is not yet free The concept of enlightenment must yet be rejected For the experience of freedom to dawn.
The diamond light of Buddha sounds much like that offered by Free Masonry ... And lots of other ways or paths.
I rather like (and believe) the notion that the most high beings can act through the personality. Do you think that might be reflected in our ceremonies when 'those higher' descend to the floor?
I had an experience once when I had to deliver a 7 page piece of ritual from memory. It took me months of work to commit to memory, then on the night my mind went blank. I panicked but took my place and opened my mouth nonetheless. Out came the most wonderful presentation ever. It was my voice, but I was actually listening to what was said, as it I was one of the audience. This piece was deliver from the SW corner. A most memorable occasion.
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Post by paul on Jul 11, 2012 10:38:51 GMT 9.5
The Diamond Light of the Buddha is indeed compatible with the Light of Masonry - as can be seen in the shape of the Compasses on the VSL.
When the Master and Wardens on occasion descend to the floor of the temple this can be seen as symbolic of the higher energy (beings) descending further into the manifested worlds - both at the level of the macrocosm and the microcosm.
Your account of an experience in the SW is interesting. If you go back into that scene and put Morya next to you, what happens?
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Post by Henka on Jul 12, 2012 1:53:16 GMT 9.5
It's all the same thing, said differently.
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Post by paul on Jul 12, 2012 9:25:17 GMT 9.5
It's all the same thing, said differently. Perhaps not - else all rationalists could be made Masons on sight.
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Post by paul on Jul 12, 2012 9:35:54 GMT 9.5
.. Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: . I met the Light of World once. I had climbed as far up Mont Blanc (literally: white mountain) as I could in my limited time and found a waterfall coming from the melting snow. I stripped off and hopped under it. As I was putting my clothes back on, a very peaceful energy came upon me. It made itself known as The Light of the World. And I recalled that once, after I had abandoned Roman Catholicism, I went to Mass with my parents and that same energy visited me - the only time in some 20 years of practice. So Christianity may attract the Light of the World, but whether that is the same as Jesus is another matter. (A month later I met at Glastonbury an energy that encompassed the Light of the World. It called itself: The Revelation of the Word and can be described as containing the Inbreath and the Outbreath of the Creator.)
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Post by paul on Jul 12, 2012 10:44:11 GMT 9.5
....what could be asked that will guarantee knowing how to get to paradise, ... Is that actually the goal of Freemasons or light workers generally?
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Post by LorrB on Jul 12, 2012 11:51:25 GMT 9.5
So with just one question on the venue, what could be asked that will guarantee knowing how to get to paradise, when the (one) question has been answered and from the rules implied know a certain course of action to proceed with with confidence Ask each what direction the other fellow would indicate as the way to Paradise ... Then take the other path. Good one, I had to think about it and use a mental construct, hopefully I chose the right path, feeling nervous
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Post by cwhite on Jul 15, 2012 6:09:40 GMT 9.5
Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: . Amber light of the Lord and Blue light Deluxe. I found the key in the Purple flux...
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Post by LorrB on Jul 15, 2012 14:06:01 GMT 9.5
Care to share a little on the purple flux?
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Post by cwhite on Jul 20, 2012 3:14:55 GMT 9.5
Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: . Amber light of the Lord and Blue light Deluxe. I found the key in the Purple flux... If you stand directly between two sources of Light, then you won't cast a shadow...
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Post by cwhite on Jul 20, 2012 4:15:53 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Jul 20, 2012 8:15:33 GMT 9.5
I would like to study that image in more detail cwhite, can you give us a link to some discussion of it? Thanks for posting it. Reminds me of 'wheels within wheels' and the Lotus Flower analogy.
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Post by paul on Jul 20, 2012 18:46:42 GMT 9.5
I am a bit wary when diagrams are focused on particular religious beliefs. There is a tendency to force-fit beliefs into patterns.
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Post by paul on Jul 21, 2012 8:40:55 GMT 9.5
> war is more of a spiritual enlightenment game of the powers that be
I expect that is true, but that does not prevent trauma for the pawns. And is it really a necessary game?
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Post by paul on Jul 22, 2012 6:52:12 GMT 9.5
I suggest that humans are expected to get themselves together as a group to meet a functional role within the greater system/being. This process involves lots of issues including contention (wars). The problem is, afaik, that the greater system is involved in the same process and it has its own wars (in the heavens) on several planes of existence. The fallout from those wars is quite profound for Earth humans. How is it that greater beings also contend? Did they not learn anything? In a sense that issue is addressed in the Canopus in Argos: Archives en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopus_in_ArgosOne empire is expansionary and the other is steady-state.
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Post by jackjack on Jul 23, 2012 4:59:15 GMT 9.5
I could be wrong but according to masonic tradition, they would be all the same. Typically, the masonic tradition has used the term masonic light as a metaphor for knowledge. It's interesting that you mention the Bible; see, in the Bible, you have different kinds of light (here are three examples): 1. The spiritual light that comes from the logos 2. The light (good knowledge) that is stored inside of your heart and which emanates from your eyes (physically and spiritual) 3. An entity that appears as a light or a shaft of light Jesus is saying that He alone possesses the true knowledge from God; whoever believes in Him will not walk in darkness and evil but will live a bright, love-filled life. By bright, I mean luminescent; if you could see their spirit, you would see the light of the logos filling it and shining out from it. This is what I mean when I use the term "bright". Those who follow Jesus and become His disciple are supposed to have this kind of life--and if they don't, then they aren't following Him at all. The book of First John makes it pretty clear; people who walk in the light live lives that are characterized by love and virtue, not darkness, sin, and gloom. They lives lives in surrender to God's kind of love, not lives in rebellion to it. Oh and one other thing; Jesus IS the Logos--the actual Word of God!
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