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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 6:36:56 GMT 9.5
Tamrin I am a little confused by your response to Paul compared to your response re my post quoting Robert Lomas [holder of a science PHD and UGLE mason from a well regarded lodge], new recently published book confirming that freemasonry offers "the awakening of supernatural abilities". I am disappointed in you Stewart. Why are you confused (are you being disingenuous)? There are similar cases out there (I am not yet sure in the case you cite, it may be an instance of reification), I am still justified in pursuing those cases of my choice for what ever reason (proximity, familiarity, extent, etc.). Others will continue to deal with Lomas' misrepresentations and I may well support them, as I see fit. Your objection is a rather obvious and under-handed red herring, having no place in a reasoned debate. You may recall me having gone to some trouble replying to you, saying: 1. Campaign to have women admitted to mainstream Freemasonry:
There are many wrongs in the world and often opponents asked why I do not address whatever wrong that happens to occur to them (about which they rarely seem to be sincerely much concerned). Some injustices do indeed cause greater suffering than the exclusion of women from mainstream Freemasonry and I will support such causes, at least with my assent.
However, with some causes, one feels that without their active support the cause would not be addressed, it would not even rate as a cause. In such cases, efforts to correct that particular injustice, or to at least to bring it to and maintain it in the attention of others, becomes a duty, as without your advocacy the injustice would persist. As Dag Hammarskjold said “A task becomes a duty from the moment you suspect it to be an essential part of that integrity which alone entitles a man to assume responsibility.”
Such was the situation in my region over a quarter of a century ago, when I first began to question why women were excluded from our institution (one which prides itself on principles of inclusion). I was dismayed to find that not only was the excuse generally given willfully wrong (that there were no women medieval stonemasons and that we were bound by their customs and usages) but that their exclusion was contrary to my understanding of Masonic philosophy, which might be summed-up in the word, “Unity.”
Overall, my self-appointed brief is not for women per se, but for anyone facing inappropriate discrimination. I might just as easily have became an activist for the cause of Prince Hall recognition but, by the time I understood the injustices giving rise to that particular cause, I found it was already well in hand (notably including Brethren from South Australia).
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Post by stewart edwards on Nov 7, 2011 6:59:24 GMT 9.5
OK Tamrin let me rephrase.
(emphasis mine):-
As an interested observer I find it exciting that an UGLE mason, from a well regarded ugle lodge, appears to be confirming Pauls position. Considering the pedigree of the ugle lodge that Robert is in I can see why and how he has got to where he is in this regard.
Dont get me wrong Tamrin I can immagine a fair few in UGLE HQ who are having heart tremmors at this new book by one of their own, but to an observer of the masonic world it does tend to make you wonder who is closer to the mark, the admins here, or those masons like yourself who attempt to debunk and deny such things have anything to do with the light of masonry.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 7:48:37 GMT 9.5
Stewart, I AM a Mason of high degree. What ever in your fantasies you wish to imagine, we do not suffer heart tremors in such cases, we deal with them as we see fit, on a case by case basis. Above all, we need something concrete with which to proceed, not just some vague intimations.
How far Lomas has progressed? You have coyly mentioned some significant lodge of which he is supposed to be a member which, as you know of it, I presume is a matter of public record, so why not name it?
Now all of this is a distraction, but from my first-hand experience, there is little to support what you present as Lomas' assertions and what little there is would require a remarkable degree of reification to even bother mentioning in this context.
Remember, what ever else Lomas may or may not be, he is an author, out to sell books. In doing so he chooses to be a sensationalist. May we now please return to the subject of "Paul" (and LorrB) defaming the Craft by misrepresenting it HERE, on this forum, as Masons and under the banner of Freemasonry.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 7, 2011 9:40:33 GMT 9.5
Tamrin - there are none so blind as those that will not see.
I can't think of one subject on this forum, or one member of this forum, of which or whom you do approve.
We have no wish to convert you to our way of thinking. May I remind you that you post here of your own free will and accord.
Forum members here choose to build in a positive manner in the hope that we invite a little more light into our lives and hopefully share that light with others.
Having said that I must admit that your nasty posts have made me think a little bit harder and meditate a little bit more than usual. You do challenge me. And I guess we all need challenges.
Your posts have definitely generated a lot of topics.
In your long Masonic career, can you think of one little bit of Light that you would like to share with us?
Also, will you please refrain from discouraging others to share their Light. Further derogatory posts on this thread will be automatically deleted, no explanation given.
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Post by tamrin on Nov 7, 2011 13:43:37 GMT 9.5
My civil, considered and correct reply was deleted
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Post by paul on Nov 7, 2011 13:50:22 GMT 9.5
Perhaps standards differ.
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Post by stewartedwards on Nov 17, 2011 6:33:41 GMT 9.5
Just finished Robert Lomas book, which I thoroughly enjoyed. It was refreshing to read, amongst other things, how remote viewing is taught and practiced in at least one ugle lodge. I will confess to being a little suprised at this being published in a mass market book, but good on the lodge for supporting it. It is the sort of thing that is expected more from parts of Continental masonry, but it is good to see that UGLE lodges are gaining the self confidence to "come out" ;D I would love to see the unofficial UGLE response to this book - it makes for quite interesting reading, including the allegation that MMH changed his mark mark, but subsequently reversed their decision after the threat of press pressure was applied. This is one book that I really would love to hear the other mans perspective on.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 17, 2011 7:40:19 GMT 9.5
Stewart - you reminded me I must get Lomas' latest book.
I can attest that my limited talents were added to and enhanced by Freemasonry, something I share with other members in our lodge.
Can't help but think that that is the real reason a mason is taught to be cautious.
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Post by paul on Dec 18, 2011 9:38:53 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Apr 21, 2012 8:16:43 GMT 9.5
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Post by jackjack on May 25, 2012 2:36:18 GMT 9.5
Wait a second...
Tamrin, if you want to know what the light of Freemasonry is, I suggest you read the writings of the Masonic Fathers who helped found the tradition of Freemasonry.
Appealing to that ancient tradition, I say, in answer to Paul's question that all lights are viewed as acceptable--whether the light of those monks from the 16th-17th century called St John and St Paul, the light of the Buddha, or all the other lights that Paul mentioned.
However Tamrin, I am quite curious; how can you be so sure that your answer to Paul's question is the correct one?
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Post by Henka on May 25, 2012 4:41:17 GMT 9.5
jackjack, Tamrin is fully aware what the light of Freemasonry is. He will not answer you as he is no longer here, and paul has seen fit to not allow access to this board to non-members.
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Post by jackjack on May 25, 2012 4:50:09 GMT 9.5
Oh ok
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Post by stewartedwards on May 25, 2012 5:44:27 GMT 9.5
As this has resurfaced I notice on Amazon that Robert Lomas's Book has been republished this year. Hence I can only assume that his admissions as to the esoteric practices of his UGLE lodge et all have been popular.
As I wrote back in November on this thread:-
"Just finished Robert Lomas book, which I thoroughly enjoyed. It was refreshing to read, amongst other things, how remote viewing is taught and practiced in at least one ugle lodge."
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Post by Henka on May 25, 2012 6:53:21 GMT 9.5
As this has resurfaced I notice on Amazon that Robert Lomas's Book has been republished this year. Hence I can only assume that his admissions as to the esoteric practices of his UGLE lodge et all have been popular. As I wrote back in November on this thread:- "Just finished Robert Lomas book, which I thoroughly enjoyed. It was refreshing to read, amongst other things, how remote viewing is taught and practiced in at least one ugle lodge." Exactly which of Lomas' books are you referring to?
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Post by stewartedwards on May 25, 2012 7:07:52 GMT 9.5
Henka Lost Key - a new edition is out onkindle and soon in paperback (I read the last edition) www.amazon.co.uk/The-Lost-Key-Robert-Lomas/dp/1444710613/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337895411&sr=8-1From back in Nov on this thread OK Tamrin let me rephrase. (emphasis mine):- As an interested observer I find it exciting that an UGLE mason, from a well regarded ugle lodge, appears to be confirming Pauls position. Considering the pedigree of the ugle lodge that Robert is in I can see why and how he has got to where he is in this regard. Dont get me wrong Tamrin I can immagine a fair few in UGLE HQ who are having heart tremmors at this new book by one of their own, but to an observer of the masonic world it does tend to make you wonder who is closer to the mark, the admins here, or those masons like yourself who attempt to debunk and deny such things have anything to do with the light of masonry. I believe that he has a PHD to boot!
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Post by Henka on May 25, 2012 9:07:27 GMT 9.5
Henka Lost Key - a new edition is out onkindle and soon in paperback (I read the last edition) www.amazon.co.uk/The-Lost-Key-Robert-Lomas/dp/1444710613/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337895411&sr=8-1From back in Nov on this thread OK Tamrin let me rephrase. (emphasis mine):- As an interested observer I find it exciting that an UGLE mason, from a well regarded ugle lodge, appears to be confirming Pauls position. Considering the pedigree of the ugle lodge that Robert is in I can see why and how he has got to where he is in this regard. Dont get me wrong Tamrin I can immagine a fair few in UGLE HQ who are having heart tremmors at this new book by one of their own, but to an observer of the masonic world it does tend to make you wonder who is closer to the mark, the admins here, or those masons like yourself who attempt to debunk and deny such things have anything to do with the light of masonry. I believe that he has a PHD to boot! Oh, okay. I don't have that one. I have them all up to the one about George Washington and Masonic Astrology. www.amazon.com/Turning-Solomon-Key-Washington-Astrology/dp/B0046LUVYE/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&qid=1337902709&sr=8-21
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Post by LorrB on May 25, 2012 10:42:45 GMT 9.5
jackjack, Tamrin is fully aware what the light of Freemasonry is. He will not answer you as he is no longer here, and paul has seen fit to not allow access to this board to non-members. Correction - I, LorrB, changed the board access because of the continued harrassment by himself and another, who repeatedly demonstrated a lack of goodwill toward others who hold their own views on various topics. Sometimes I just have to put the hands on the hips, say "Oi - enough!"
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Post by Henka on May 25, 2012 21:04:49 GMT 9.5
jackjack, Tamrin is fully aware what the light of Freemasonry is. He will not answer you as he is no longer here, and paul has seen fit to not allow access to this board to non-members. Correction - I, LorrB, changed the board access because of the continued harrassment by himself and another, who repeatedly demonstrated a lack of goodwill toward others who hold their own views on various topics. Sometimes I just have to put the hands on the hips, say "Oi - enough!" I stand corrected. Lorr did it!
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Post by stewartedwards on May 25, 2012 21:56:48 GMT 9.5
But we are still left with an UGLE Mason, in a well respected UGLE lodge (known for high levels of esoteric wisdom) who is stating very clearly:-
Split for emphasis.
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