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Post by paul on Sept 16, 2011 17:09:25 GMT 9.5
So how can we distinguish spirit from soul?
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Post by mgc on Sept 17, 2011 10:39:12 GMT 9.5
define them
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Post by paul on Sept 17, 2011 11:15:53 GMT 9.5
I suppose a definition is likely to distinguish them. But how useful is an artificial definition?
Still the terms are in common usage. They presumably refer to some-non-thing
Do we have any experience of soul?
Do we have any experience of spirit?
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Post by mgc on Sept 17, 2011 14:20:31 GMT 9.5
spirit is 3d, soul 4d?
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Post by paul on Sept 17, 2011 20:55:40 GMT 9.5
So are there experiences that we relate to the soul?
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Post by cwhite on Sept 17, 2011 23:27:46 GMT 9.5
Dreaming...the soul wanders...
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Post by paul on Sept 18, 2011 6:04:23 GMT 9.5
How do you know it is the soul that wanders? what about the mind?
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Post by cwhite on Sept 19, 2011 2:06:53 GMT 9.5
Just an assumption of mine. I feel that the mind is just a seat for the soul. That soul is the "self", and the mind is just the prism that it shines through. And in order for the spirit to rejuvenate the mind and body, it must first push out the soul. I see spirit as being the "source", and that the "source" should only touch the soul through labor and hard work... Not with something as simple as sleeping...
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Post by LorrB on Sept 20, 2011 10:14:19 GMT 9.5
Just an assumption of mine. I feel that the mind is just a seat for the soul. That soul is the "self", and the mind is just the prism that it shines through. And in order for the spirit to rejuvenate the mind and body, it must first push out the soul. I see spirit as being the "source", and that the "source" should only touch the soul through labor and hard work... Not with something as simple as sleeping... Whilst contemplating this subject I got the image in my mind of a cone. The Point of the cone was the Source of Spirit for an individualised entity and the whole cone represented the Spirit, Soul and Intellect of the entity, our personal Trinity. I then pictured the Soul, being closer to the Source, as the midsection of the cone. Intellect (we as we know ourselves) operates between the outside edge of the cone and the mid-section Soul section. I don't know how one would distinguish input from the Soul or the Spirit, because I received the impression that The Veils (in Freemasonry) take us only to Soul and that in our present state we have little capacity to incorporate much at all of that level. It remains the invisible guide. The words 'Unless ye be reborn again' sprang to mind and also 'new garment', 'new name', 'white stone'. So I took this to be the next stage for the true Master. Having conquered one realm, he is born again into a superior realm, which he must in turn learn to Master. I then saw the cone head on... and it looked like our symbol, the Point within the Circle.
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Post by paul on Sept 20, 2011 10:28:04 GMT 9.5
It is remarkable what contemplation can bring.
>whole cone represented the Spirit, Soul and Intellect of the entity, our personal Trinity
Certainly when the Spirit flows purely through the personality we may say: When you have seen me you have seen the Father
>Soul, being closer to the Source
Operating to step down the frequencies of Spirit so that they may be more accessible
>Intellect ...operates between the outside edge of the cone and the mid-section Soul section
So the mind serves (or not) to step down energies even further
>The Veils (in Freemasonry) take us only to Soul
Agreed
>'Unless ye be reborn again' sprang to mind and also 'new garment', 'new name', 'white stone'.
Born again is quite early.
New garment comes much later when the soul contact is very secure and about the same time the new name may arrive.
>Having conquered one realm, he is born again into a superior realm, which he must in turn learn to Master.
Quite so
>I then saw the cone head on... and it looked like our symbol, the Point within the Circle
A very apt depiction
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Post by paul on Sept 22, 2011 8:03:12 GMT 9.5
So how is contact with Spirit experientially different from contact with Soul?
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Post by paul on Sept 23, 2011 12:09:55 GMT 9.5
I think this is a bit hard.
So coming down a level: How do we distinguish Soul influence from Personality influence?
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Post by LorrB on Sept 23, 2011 12:54:42 GMT 9.5
A Personality influence would be in accord with one's normal pattern of operation I would think.
Whereas Soul influence I think of as those times when I am 'pushed' one way or another repeatedly to do, think, read, etc something which is out of the ordinary pattern for me.
When following this sort of inner guidance the results are always beneficial in one way or the other.
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Post by paul on Sept 23, 2011 13:04:38 GMT 9.5
There may however be other pushy entities.
And can the soul not be more subtle than pushing?
Certainly positive outcomes are encouraging, particularly when they are based on a sense of greater inner freedom.
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Post by paul on Mar 12, 2012 17:27:21 GMT 9.5
Just an assumption of mine. I feel that the mind is just a seat for the soul. That soul is the "self", and the mind is just the prism that it shines through. And in order for the spirit to rejuvenate the mind and body, it must first push out the soul. I see spirit as being the "source", and that the "source" should only touch the soul through labor and hard work... Not with something as simple as sleeping... Sorry I missed this before! It is fair to say that the soul anchors in the upper mind and sometimes shines through it. And when the human is capable of soul consciousness the spirit starts the process of destruction of the soul body as the soul intelligence is no longer required as the intermediary that transforms high energies down to frequencies to which the less refined persona can respond. So the soul intelligence (solar angel) is released to its high station and the soul body is progressively dissolved as the human passes into the stages of enlightenment.
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Post by cwhite on Mar 15, 2012 22:25:30 GMT 9.5
As a snake sheds his skin to be born anew...
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Post by paul on May 20, 2013 7:53:38 GMT 9.5
Is there an experiential difference between Spirit and Soul - so that we might know in the moment of experience?
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Post by LorrB on May 20, 2013 9:12:03 GMT 9.5
While pondering upon these questions, two experiences sprang to mind.
One was when I was wrestling with a huge mind changing question (over a period of three weeks) when a beautiful entity appeared to me in the dream state and affirmed what I suspected. Never doubted since.
The second was when I was experimented with binaural sound and after a while I rested my my head on my hands, heal of hands into the eye sockets. In an instant I was in a place that was so full of white and golden light that it was overwhelming, could have stayed there forever. Didn't last long - but I will never forget it. It was wonderful.
So for me I would say that I may well have experienced the soul with the first experience and in the second experience, I rather suspect that I was given just the merest hint of what spirit might be, a spark getting a glimpse of the flame (so to speak).
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Post by paul on May 27, 2013 10:55:16 GMT 9.5
There is of course a complication in distinguishing Spirit from Soul and that is that Spirit exists in a spectrum so that matter is densified spirit.
In human terms it is usual to consider Spirit to be that which is unchanging from the human perspective.
The Soul, however, is supposed to grow and develop and be lost and found.
Of course Spirit might have a different perspective and might see itself as unfolding and evolving - otherwise it might be having a pretty dull time.
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Post by mgc on Jun 3, 2013 16:48:28 GMT 9.5
I suppose a definition is likely to distinguish them. But how useful is an artificial definition? i suppose that depends on the artist? high spirited artist well defines soul?
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