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Post by LorrB on Aug 31, 2011 13:20:47 GMT 9.5
LIFE almost certainly exists on other planets, scientists claimed last night.
There are up to 50 billion planets just like our own in our Milky Way galaxy, they said, and the likelihood that none harbours life is so slim it can be safely discounted.
The breakthrough was made by astronomers analysing light reaching Earth from nearby stars.
Dr Norman Murray, of the Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics, said more than half of the stars he had observed appeared to have absorbed rocky, iron-rich material, flung into them by the gravitational pull of orbiting planets.
Although we do not yet have the means to detect them, these …
www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-109598624.html
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Post by stewart edwards on Aug 31, 2011 14:58:16 GMT 9.5
Forgot to ask again, if anyone here feels that they are more highly professionally qualified or experienced in psychiatry than John Mack into assessing abductees then I am listening, eagerly. If anyone else here has any qualifications and professional psychiatric experience, their contribution would be welcome. I am hesitant to type this while I am still chewing on Henkas words, but Tamrin you seem to be deflecting again. Takle a deep breath and think. The point is, you who may well be a decent honourable chap in real life, are but a screenname, who has openly stated his view as to the mental health aspects of the alien abduction phenomenon. John Mark apart from being a world renowned Harvard psychiatrist, had a team of doctors weed out those with any sort of physical or mental illness before they got to him. And the 100s he did then see, after been checked for any type of health problem, he took seriously and concluded that they had a "real" experience". (and not a mental health one) He was so convinced of this, that he toured the ufo circuit lecturing on it. Quite a brave thing for a chap in his position. He has, I understand, also experience as expert witness in courts of law on this issue. It would be difficult to find anyone who has more experitise in the field, backed up by professional qualifications and experience. Hence when anyone simply puts a belief in alien abductions down to mental illness, especially someone who, for understandable reasons, operates behind a screenname it is not unreasonable to ask if they have more professional training, experience, and resources than John Mack had while he spent years assessing hundreds of cases. Now if you do have these things then fair enough (and worklingin the mental health field could mean anything form a cleaner to being more highly qualified and experienced than John Mack), but if you dont, please forgive me for placing more credence on a world renowned expert, appropriately qualified and experienced, court expert witness, than someone who quite frankly could be anyone. I do listen to you Tamrin, but I hope that you see my point. And before you ask in my researching into all of this I contacted qualified and experienced people who were distinctly in your position as well as the likes of John Mack, people like Susan Blackmore(?, names were never my strong point) who puts it all down to sleep paralysis etc. Even academics who had published on the psychology of it all.
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Post by tamrin on Aug 31, 2011 15:04:14 GMT 9.5
If anyone else here has any qualifications and professional psychiatric experience, their contribution would be welcome. The few that I have met socially are a bit 'different'. Nutty professor types who found it difficult to socialise.
Q - how come you place so much emphasis on qualifications and professional status here whilst totally dismissing the qualifications and professional status of those who witnessed ufo's and abductions?
Whats good for one should be good for the other.I was "mirroring" Stewart's post placing emphasis on qualifications and professional status, to make that point. Forgot to ask again, if anyone here feels that they are more highly professionally qualified or experienced in psychiatry than John Mack into assessing abductees then I am listening, eagerly. Late P.S. Will you be rebuking Stewart for his post?
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Post by Henka on Aug 31, 2011 15:04:37 GMT 9.5
I know who Tamrin is, where he lives and what he does for a living. He is a good man and more than simply a screen name.
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Post by tamrin on Aug 31, 2011 15:10:56 GMT 9.5
So he feels they were somewhat akin an unintended "Vision Quest." In other words, not madness in the popular, demonised perception of the term but rather an inner psychic (i.e., emotional) event for which modern, Western society ill prepares its citizens. Very interesting but I would still consider it a Mental Health issue. The MH community tends to split in terms of the prevalence of such issues (one branch believes that normal is sane, another that we all are mad to some degree, and others are on the continuum in between). So Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha and all other sainted people and prophets were just common folk with mental health issues? Jesus, if he existed, appears to have been gravely misrepresented and deified, Mohammad suffered frequent seizures and needed reassurance from his first wife that he wasn't delusional and Buddha taught a highly rational form of spirituality, which has since split into different camps.
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Post by Henka on Aug 31, 2011 15:26:01 GMT 9.5
Mohammad suffered frequent seizures and needed reassurance from his first wife that he wasn't delusional Not to mention that he was a pedophile that married a 6 year old and consummated the marriage when she was 9.
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Post by LorrB on Aug 31, 2011 16:55:51 GMT 9.5
You two make me realise just how happy I am ;D
Now a little bit of common sense .... a rational person reading this thread will have realised by now (or about 2 pages ago) that it is futile to attempt to convince the other that their belief system is wrong.
As the thread is about Abduction/s and you are not interested in that topic because you deem it silly/stupid/deluded then don't join in. Just start you own thread about something that you believe in.
Easy.
In the meantime just let we 'silly people' enjoy our own intellectual pursuits in peace.
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Post by paul on Aug 31, 2011 17:43:59 GMT 9.5
>Just start you own thread about something that you believe in.
Killing the Ego thread has slowed down.
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Post by tamrin on Aug 31, 2011 18:00:18 GMT 9.5
I know who Tamrin is, where he lives and what he does for a living. He is a good man and more than simply a screen name. Thank you. And I add, my name, PHILIP CARTER, is on the signature line of each of my posts. As the subject has been raised (and allowed to stand), who is "LorrB" and who is "Paul"?
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Post by tamrin on Aug 31, 2011 18:17:59 GMT 9.5
As the thread is about Abduction/s and you are not interested in that topic because you deem it silly/stupid/deluded then don't join in. Just start you own thread about something that you believe in. I seem to recall Paul started this for the benefit of Henka, Chutzpah and myself to show how we would run an esoteric thread. Abduction is a good subject for another thread so I have started one.
I suggest we use this thread so that Tamrin, Henka and Chutzpah can demonstrate how to run an esoteric thread. Watch and learn!
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Post by paul on Aug 31, 2011 18:46:43 GMT 9.5
Actually I meant that abduction was the new thread so as not to distract from the Ego thread that was attracting so much attention from T, H & C
And I am sure we are learning on both.
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Post by tamrin on Aug 31, 2011 21:07:25 GMT 9.5
So it's open slather.
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Post by cwhite on Sept 1, 2011 0:26:11 GMT 9.5
"LIFE almost certainly exists on other planets, scientists claimed last night. "
Life most certainly exists on other planets (at a microbial level). That's been proven, extremophiles.
Intelligent life, on the other hand, though unproven, is still a possibility/probability.
Why wouldn't it be?
It would be fairly narrow minded to think that in the vast infinte of the cosmos that we are the only intelligent life (and using the term "intelligent life" to accurately describe the human race is HIGHLY debatable).
Even the Vatican has entertained the possibility...
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2011 5:37:12 GMT 9.5
I am sure that a responsible brother such as yourself is quite capable of facilitating group process that encourages developmental outcomes that are relevant to multiple participants. I suggest that the Ego thread remains in need of further development. This allows you opportunity to demonstrate the practical value of the rules stated therein.
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2011 5:40:08 GMT 9.5
... Even the Vatican has entertained the possibility... I was rather hoping that one of our rational brethren who excludes such a possibility would expound the logic behind their position. I am starting to wonder however whether such positions actually lack such a conceptual underpinning.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 1, 2011 5:43:54 GMT 9.5
I was rather hoping that one of our rational brethren who excludes such a possibility would expound the logic behind their position. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Carl Sagan
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2011 5:47:00 GMT 9.5
Exactly - claims of a universal negative (no aliens in the universe) are extraordinary claims indeed. Surely there must be some logic, even if no evidence.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 1, 2011 5:47:54 GMT 9.5
I am sure that a responsible brother such as yourself is quite capable of facilitating group process that encourages developmental outcomes that are relevant to multiple participants. Apparently you do not recall the interaction I alluded to by the words "open slather". I wonder if LorrB does (I was quoting her).
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Post by tamrin on Sept 1, 2011 5:56:42 GMT 9.5
Exactly - claims of a universal negative (no aliens in the universe) are extraordinary claims indeed. Surely there must be some logic, even if no evidence. Putting aside the absurdity of the term "aliens" with respect to the universe (extra-terrestrial life would be alien to Earth not to the universe), please show where the claim was made that there is no life beyond Earth. As far as I can see, the skepticism expressed concerns special knowledge claims about extra-terrestrial life-forms, especially specific claims of extra-terrestrial visits to Earth and, more especially, close encounters of the absurd kind, e.g., "alien abductions".
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Post by paul on Sept 1, 2011 8:11:13 GMT 9.5
.....the skepticism expressed concerns special knowledge claims about extra-terrestrial life-forms, especially specific claims of extra-terrestrial visits to Earth and, more especially, close encounters of the absurd kind, e.g., "alien abductions". So will you state the proposition that you support? Then we can consider what evidence might be available for and against.
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