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Lucifer
Jun 18, 2011 16:50:56 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 18, 2011 16:50:56 GMT 9.5
Lucifer is a difficult topic for many.
My Latin is somewhat rusty but:
Lux, lucis - Light, of Light Fero, ferre - I carry, to carry
Literally: The Carrier of Light.
What then is the problem?
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Lucifer
Jun 18, 2011 17:14:31 GMT 9.5
Post by blackdragon1 on Jun 18, 2011 17:14:31 GMT 9.5
By the nature of the FOHAT..The Great Magical Agent...The Azoth...The Universal Magnetic Ocean and so many other names by which it is presented/symbolised, when multitudes of people hold certain beliefs, perform rituals coresponding to those beliefs etc, great vibration/resonance is set up within this Universal Magnetic Ocean that we exist in..and those believes become REAL via THOUGHTFORMS/EGREGORES
The name Lucifer is revered by some Satanists, who perform negative RITUALS/ceremonies and other occult practises in his name thus generating negative egregores/thoughtforms in this name. The FEAR of LUCIFER by Christians & Muslims re-inforce the negative polarity of the same egregore
The Book of Ceremonial Magic by Edward Waite(previously titled "The Book of Black Magic"), a horrible book which includes invocations for Emperor Lucifer, promotes the practise of human sacrifice(particularly of young virign boys)...imagine the impact of such practises on the AZOTH? and consequently on the human race
LUCIFER seems to be similar to The BAPHOMET(also applied in Edward Waite's horrible book) in the sense that they may be symbolic for the 'dark' application of The Great Magical Agent
This is what I understand so far.Would be happy to get other opinions as my mind is very open(one does not learn with a closed mind)
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Lucifer
Jun 18, 2011 17:18:52 GMT 9.5
Post by nventr on Jun 18, 2011 17:18:52 GMT 9.5
Lucifer is the carrier of light, but so are Zeus and Thor. They fling lightning, which is a punishment for man.
Light or White energy pulls together or hardens, while Kundalini or Red Energy breaks away, tears apart, or softens.
Lucifer, who is a personification of the Divine Masculine or the Energy of Grace, is "bad" when this energy is used to harden intellectualism, egotism, and judgement. The prime sin is arrogance. My favorite exemplar is Hitler.
It is Kundalini that breaks away egotism and judgement. This balances the forces within by bringing caring and giving into the psyche.
Those who are already hard headed do not need to Bring down Grace, they need to Bring up the Kundalini and soften the heart.
nventr
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Lucifer
Jun 19, 2011 8:35:47 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 19, 2011 8:35:47 GMT 9.5
Lucifer is commonly used to translate several obscure names in the Old Testament, but those translations may not be accurate with alternates including Venus and a Canaanite god
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Lucifer
Jun 19, 2011 11:12:58 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 19, 2011 11:12:58 GMT 9.5
Isaiah mentions that Lucifer is the "son of the morning." The Canaanites also had a god named Shachar which means 'Dawn' and he was the father of Athtar. Therefore Athtar (Lucifer) was literally a son of Shachar (Morning) to the Canaanites. www.christadelphianbooks.org/agora/art_less/i13.html
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Lucifer
Jun 20, 2011 8:11:10 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Jun 20, 2011 8:11:10 GMT 9.5
Isaiah mentions that Lucifer is the "son of the morning." The Canaanites also had a god named Shachar which means 'Dawn' and he was the father of Athtar. Therefore Athtar (Lucifer) was literally a son of Shachar (Morning) to the Canaanites. www.christadelphianbooks.org/agora/art_less/i13.htmlThey were referring, of course to the planet Venus. Keep in mind that ancient religions contained astrotheological knowledge encoded in their mythology - including Judaism and Christianity. Freemasonry does the same.
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Lucifer
Jun 20, 2011 8:16:05 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 20, 2011 8:16:05 GMT 9.5
They were referring, of course to the planet Venus. Isaiah 14 Young's Literal Translation 12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations. 13 And thou saidst in thy heart: the heavens I go up, Above stars of God I raise my throne, And I sit in the mount of meeting in the sides of the north. 14 I go up above the heights of a thick cloud, I am like to the Most High. 15 Only -- unto Sheol thou art brought down, Unto the sides of the pit. 16 Thy beholders look to thee, to thee they attend, Is this the man causing the earth to tremble, Shaking kingdoms? 17 He hath made the world as a wilderness, And his cities he hath broken down Thus Venus is the "weakener of nations", sat in the "north", caused the earth to tremble, made the world a wilderness and broke down its own cities and was put into the pit Or.....
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Lucifer
Jun 20, 2011 10:10:57 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 20, 2011 10:10:57 GMT 9.5
Sounds like the personification of polar energies, which sometimes flip? 12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations. 13 And thou saidst in thy heart: the heavens I go up, Above stars of God I raise my throne, And I sit in the mount of meeting in the sides of the north. Aurora Borealis
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Lucifer
Jun 20, 2011 10:59:14 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 20, 2011 10:59:14 GMT 9.5
I am not sure the aurora borealis causes the earth to tremble or breaks his own cities
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Lucifer
Jun 20, 2011 11:07:17 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 20, 2011 11:07:17 GMT 9.5
Wonder what sort of aurora might occur when the polarity flips, or the mantle slips, one of which has happened at regular long intervals in the past. Scientists can tell by the rocks.
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Lucifer
Jun 20, 2011 11:42:14 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 20, 2011 11:42:14 GMT 9.5
We seem to have moved a fair way from the son of the Dawn.
Eos is a Titan associated by the Greeks with the Dawn - Eostre for the Saxons
Titama is the dawn goddess in the Maori traditions
Aurora is the goddess of the dawn for the Romans - after which the northern lights were named
Of course goddesses mostly had husbands and sons. If the gods actually existed as humanoids, the son of the dawn goddess might actually have walked the earth
If so he might well have left a history.
According to Isaiah he had cities but destroyed them.
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Lucifer
Jun 21, 2011 8:19:04 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 21, 2011 8:19:04 GMT 9.5
It is perhaps worth distinguishing:
- humanoid gods that need food and have spiritual (non-physical) powers (just like humans) - gods of the elements that are devic - God as a title for the Creator of all that exists.
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Lucifer
Jun 21, 2011 9:59:03 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 21, 2011 9:59:03 GMT 9.5
LUCIFER seems to be similar to The BAPHOMET Hi Blackdragon1, can't tell you how happy I am to see you joining in. Keep posting. I though you might find this piece interesting. Sometimes good things are hijacked by bad people, as was the sacred symbol of the Hindu's, the Swastika. www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/symbols/swastika.htm Baphomet (bæ ·fomet). [a. F. Baphomet; cf. Pr. Bafomet, OSp. Mafomat.] a. A form of the name Mahomed used by mediæval writers. b. Alleged name of the idol which the Templars were accused of worshipping. (According to l'Abbé Constant, quoted by Littré,1 this word was cabalistically formed by writing backward tem. o. h. p. ab., abbreviation of templi omnium hominum pacis abbas, 'abbot' or 'father of the temple of peace of all men.') Hence Baphomet·ic a.
1818 Hallam Mid. Ages (1872) I. 140 Baphomet is a secret word ascribed to the Templars. 1855 Milman Lat. Chr. _VII._ xii. ii. 278 The great stress .. in the condemnation of the templars is laid on the worship of Baphomet. The talismans, bowls, symbols, are even called Baphometic. 1831 Carlyle Sart. Res. II. vii, My Spiritual New-birth, or Baphometic Fire-baptism. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1984 (23rd Printing) p. 659. www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/baphomet.html
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Lucifer
Jun 21, 2011 10:23:55 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 21, 2011 10:23:55 GMT 9.5
B'nai HaElohim are the sons of god - actually sons of The Most High and there are 70 of them. (For astrological and geometric reasons the 70 becomes 72 at a later time.)
Now these sons of God are difficult theologically:
- Perhaps Jehovah is one of the sons of God - Perhaps Jesus is not the only son of God
In the first case we get out of the problem by calling the 70 Judges, and in the second case Angels.
This gets the son of (the god of) the Dawn from being a god to being an angel. And since this particular son of god was rather destructive according to Isaiah, and was thrown down, it is easy to cast him as a fallen angel.
And then we can attach a variety of religious, ethnic and esoteric teachings to this rather minor son of god. It is these teachings that dominate the concepts of Lucifer, not the history.
Some of the teachings may lead us towards the Light, others may not.
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Lucifer
Jun 21, 2011 12:32:58 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 21, 2011 12:32:58 GMT 9.5
Elder sons? We all being sons of God.
Are these elder sons the same referred to as the 72 'elders' in Royal Arch. Why white wands?
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Lucifer
Jun 21, 2011 13:03:27 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 21, 2011 13:03:27 GMT 9.5
Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes
Here we find that the children (sons) of the Most High are not the same as men.
The 72 elders are the council of the gods also known as the holy ones (kadosh)
Young's Literal: PS 89:5 and the heavens confess Thy wonders, O Jehovah, Thy faithfulness also `is' in an assembly of holy ones. For who in the sky, Compareth himself to Jehovah? Is like to Jehovah among sons of the mighty? God is very terrible, In the secret counsel of His holy ones,
If Jehovah created all, why does he need a counsel?
It is normal for religious groups to point out that their god is superior to all other gods.
The white wands are pre-Judaic - occurring in Aust Aboriginal ritual - probably a photo in Ward - perhaps Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods.
The white wands may be better in a circle, reproducing the arch of the heavens.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 8:10:10 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 22, 2011 8:10:10 GMT 9.5
To return to Blackdragon's post:
While the historical events that led to the construction of the Lucifer thought-form are not of particular interest, the thought-form itself is of great interest.
To my observation the Lucifer thought-form exists from the 6th subplane of the astral plane (6.6) up to the middle of the mental plane (5.4) which is the top frequency of the human persona.
The thought-form is a shell that provides a home for various entities.
From 6.6 up to 6.3 the entities are like larvae - operating rather like worms in a compost heap.
In the 2 highest subplanes of the astral (6.2 and 6.1) there are mindless entities that happily consume emotional energies from humans who press too closely to the thought-form.
In the lowest mental subplanes (5.7 and 5.6) the indwelling entities are angry and resentful - seeking human emanations as food - by a sense of smell rather than with a conceptual map.
The highest mental subplane of the thought-form is inhabited by a strong aggressive dark entity that actively connects with suitable human groups providing energy phenomena as bait. It encourages destructive relationship and sexual activity as the choice food sources.
That entity is the servant of a cosmic dark entity that presses against one side of the solar system. That entity looks to feed in the solar system and has multiple energy anchors. With this planet that cosmic entity has anchored in various groups and movements.
A particular feature is its interest in those industries that use substances to distort the spiritual functions of humans, animals and plants.
A little thought will provide a long list of such industries.
The Lucifer thought-form attracts attention from many Christian and some occult groups.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 8:34:09 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 22, 2011 8:34:09 GMT 9.5
Baphomet has a much smaller thought-form - largely from 5.6 to 5.4 of the mental plane. It is connected to primarily by some occult groups and a few Christian groups.
The thought-form is inhabited by an entity that seems rather neutral in qualities and with no obvious agenda.
The original Baphomet thought-form, as used by the Templars still exists but is largely inactive. It extends from the lowest soul subplane (5.3 on the mental) to the top of the Buddhic plane (4.1).
That thought-form was used by a range of entities that worked actively with the spiritual growth of related groups. These days the only obvious entity anchors there on 4.1 and radiates a beautiful celestial light that originates with the entity that operates as the Great Mother for human and other kingdoms. The energy is represented in Masonic lodges by the beehive and the plumbline.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 8:59:48 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Jun 22, 2011 8:59:48 GMT 9.5
Just out of curiosity, what of Lilith?
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 9:22:36 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 22, 2011 9:22:36 GMT 9.5
To return to Blackdragon's post: While the historical events that led to the construction of the Lucifer thought-form are not of particular interest, the thought-form itself is of great interest. To my observation the Lucifer thought-form exists from the 6th subplane of the astral plane (6.6) up to the middle of the mental plane (5.4) which is the top frequency of the human persona. The thought-form is a shell that provides a home for various entities. From 6.6 up to 6.3 the entities are like larvae - operating rather like worms in a compost heap. In the 2 highest subplanes of the astral (6.2 and 6.1) there are mindless entities that happily consume emotional energies from humans who press too closely to the thought-form. In the lowest mental subplanes (5.7 and 5.6) the indwelling entities are angry and resentful - seeking human emanations as food - by a sense of smell rather than with a conceptual map. Are these lower planes the ones the recently deceased pass through - as symbolised by the first 'journey' one takes in Freemasonry? The planes where good people pass without being unduly distressed because their emotions and thoughts are more elevated and so put them at a distance from the woeful?
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