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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 9:23:06 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 22, 2011 9:23:06 GMT 9.5
Historically it is likely that Lilith is the same as NinLil. NinLil was the wife of EnLil.
He saw her bathing and raped her, for which crime he was tried by the gods and he was obliged to marry her
Later it seemed that she had anticipated and induced the rape.
Various of the Sumerian goddesses were not above taking human males as partners. If NinLil was one of those that might explain the legend of Lilith being the first wife of Adam.
With the theological exclusion of female divinity from the Jewish religion, goddesses were translated into Shekinah and demons.
There are several partially overlapping thought-forms associated with Lilith of which the most interesting exists on the upper mental (5.3 to 5.1) and seems to be used primarily by wiccan-related groups. The indwelling entity seems beneficent but with limited higher connections.
I suggest that there are better thought-forms for use by magical groups.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 9:27:59 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 22, 2011 9:27:59 GMT 9.5
Are these lower planes the ones the recently deceased pass through The deceased's consciousness rises through the subplanes until it reaches its own level of functioning. Almost all of those deceased humans I have gone looking for were floating on the lower mental when I found them. A few had moved into the Buddhic plane. Humans who have little mental functionality will tend to remain on astral levels. When I look out across some suburbs as I write this, I can "see" that many humans remain in astral subplanes after death.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 9:46:34 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 22, 2011 9:46:34 GMT 9.5
Baphomet has a much smaller thought-form - largely from 5.6 to 5.4 of the mental plane. It is connected to primarily by some occult groups and a few Christian groups. The thought-form is inhabited by an entity that seems rather neutral in qualities and with no obvious agenda. The original Baphomet thought-form, as used by the Templars still exists but is largely inactive. It extends from the lowest soul subplane (5.3 on the mental) to the top of the Buddhic plane (4.1). That thought-form was used by a range of entities that worked actively with the spiritual growth of related groups. These days the only obvious entity anchors there on 4.1 and radiates a beautiful celestial light that originates with the entity that operates as the Great Mother for human and other kingdoms. The energy is represented in Masonic lodges by the beehive and the plumbline. So - the thought form of Baphomet originated with the Templars? It is said that Solomon, the King, used thought forms to help with his work, maybe that was the great secret treasure the Templars discovered. Baphomet, the thought form, channels the light of the Great Mother? I can see all kinds of folk getting their knickers in a knot over that one, them not knowing how the word, thus thought form, came about. Can individual lodges possess a thought form unbeknown to the members or do members have to have intent? Has Freemasonry, in its broadest aspect, a common Egregore? It would be interesting to know where that stands on the ladder. So many questions ... if Lucifer is a thought form he is neither angel or alien son? Baphomet, a thought form can channel light, which means that Lucifer can also be the bringer (channeler) of light which his name suggests. Maybe the Lucifer provides light by containing the dark?
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 9:57:20 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Jun 22, 2011 9:57:20 GMT 9.5
Historically it is likely that Lilith is the same as NinLil. NinLil was the wife of EnLil. He saw her bathing and raped her, for which crime he was tried by the gods and he was obliged to marry her Later it seemed that she had anticipated and induced the rape. Various of the Sumerian goddesses were not above taking human males as partners. If NinLil was one of those that might explain the legend of Lilith being the first wife of Adam. With the theological exclusion of female divinity from the Jewish religion, goddesses were translated into Shekinah and demons. There are several partially overlapping thought-forms associated with Lilith of which the most interesting exists on the upper mental (5.3 to 5.1) and seems to be used primarily by wiccan-related groups. The indwelling entity seems beneficent but with limited higher connections. I suggest that there are better thought-forms for use by magical groups. Interesting. Lilith has chosen me for some reason. I see her as a Dark Goddess, much like Hecate and the Morrigan. I am Wiccan, BTW.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 9:57:33 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 22, 2011 9:57:33 GMT 9.5
I can see several threads arising from this one. The Lilith/Eve thread and the After Death thread. Would you guys like to go down that path? Masonically, some think of the Widow as Eve and the after death experience is definitely part of Freemasonry. Stewart and nventr can retell their experiences there also.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 10:04:16 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 22, 2011 10:04:16 GMT 9.5
>Baphomet, the thought form, channels the light of the Great Mother?
To be exact, the thought-form contacted by the human persona is Not the one used by the Templars.
To contact the Templar version the human needs to be able to transcend the persona. Few can do so by intent.
>Can individual lodges possess a thought form unbeknown to the members or do members have to have intent?
Most long-standing organisations of any type have a group being of some sort.
>Has Freemasonry, in its broadest aspect, a common Egregore?
Freemasonry is a title claimed by various groups some of which do not gravitate to the GAOTU. Nevertheless a broad range of ritual esoteric groups do congregate out-of-the-body for spiritual purposes. These can be said to exist within the aura of a particular entity concealed by the title Head of all True Freemasons.
>if Lucifer is a thought form he is neither angel or alien son?
Quite so. The historical basis is quite separate from the modern usage.
> that Lucifer can also be the bringer (channeler) of light
It is quite possible to attach valuable esoteric teachings to the construct of Lucifer. To the extent that has been done, there is a small thought-form, quite separate from the usual dark thought-form, that exists at the top of the mental plane (5.2 and 5.1). Only those able to transcend the persona can make easy contact with that thought-form. That thought-form has linkages to the energy symbolised by the all-seeing eye in the triangle.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 10:06:48 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 22, 2011 10:06:48 GMT 9.5
Henka, do you get to choose also? I am interested in your answer because despite being bought up Catholic and having great affection for Mary, the Mother, I find I have a peculiar and unexplained attraction to Kwan Yin, about whom I know nothing.
As I type this I am looking at a little statuette I have of her sitting on my desk. It is right in front of the rainbow serpent that Paul once saw looking at me (from a distance).
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 10:06:55 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Jun 22, 2011 10:06:55 GMT 9.5
I can see several threads arising from this one. The Lilith/Eve thread and the After Death thread. Would you guys like to go down that path? Masonically, some think of the Widow as Eve and the after death experience is definitely part of Freemasonry. Stewart and nventr can retell their experiences there also. That could be interesting. I have my own observations of Lilith. Fundamentalists seem to be frightened of her.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 10:08:17 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Jun 22, 2011 10:08:17 GMT 9.5
Henka, do you get to choose also? I am interested in your answer because despite being bought up Catholic and having great affection for Mary, the Mother, I find I have a peculiar and unexplained attraction to Kwan Yin, about whom I know nothing. As I type this I am looking at a little statuette I have of her sitting on my desk. It is right in front of the rainbow serpent that Paul once saw looking at me (from a distance). Yes, you can choose, we have free will. I could no longer ignore her call, though. She has something to teach me, I think.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 10:55:22 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 22, 2011 10:55:22 GMT 9.5
....Lilith has chosen me .... I have seen situations in which several inner plane entities have used the same name as a call-sign or handle. The names Michael and John seem popular.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 13:17:56 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 22, 2011 13:17:56 GMT 9.5
Lucifer carried the light to Freemasonry? The Lucifer Spirit Samael united with Eve and begat a semi-divine son, Cain. As he left Eve before the birth of the child, CAIN WAS THE SON OF A WIDOW, AND A SERPENT OF WISDOM. www.rosicrucian.com/frc/frceng02.htmNOTE: I have started a separate thread for Sons of Cain... might get too convoluted otherwise.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 13:39:09 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 22, 2011 13:39:09 GMT 9.5
For the origin of Freemasonry (by whatever outer name) we might be better to look to the Blazing Star.
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Lucifer
Jun 22, 2011 16:18:07 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 22, 2011 16:18:07 GMT 9.5
What a bright idea - (sorry, couldn't resist)
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 0:55:28 GMT 9.5
Post by blackdragon1 on Jun 24, 2011 0:55:28 GMT 9.5
To return to Blackdragon's post: While the historical events that led to the construction of the Lucifer thought-form are not of particular interest, the thought-form itself is of great interest. To my observation the Lucifer thought-form exists from the 6th subplane of the astral plane (6.6) up to the middle of the mental plane (5.4) which is the top frequency of the human persona. The thought-form is a shell that provides a home for various entities. From 6.6 up to 6.3 the entities are like larvae - operating rather like worms in a compost heap. In the 2 highest subplanes of the astral (6.2 and 6.1) there are mindless entities that happily consume emotional energies from humans who press too closely to the thought-form. In the lowest mental subplanes (5.7 and 5.6) the indwelling entities are angry and resentful - seeking human emanations as food - by a sense of smell rather than with a conceptual map. The highest mental subplane of the thought-form is inhabited by a strong aggressive dark entity that actively connects with suitable human groups providing energy phenomena as bait. It encourages destructive relationship and sexual activity as the choice food sources. That entity is the servant of a cosmic dark entity that presses against one side of the solar system. That entity looks to feed in the solar system and has multiple energy anchors. With this planet that cosmic entity has anchored in various groups and movements. A particular feature is its interest in those industries that use substances to distort the spiritual functions of humans, animals and plants. A little thought will provide a long list of such industries. The Lucifer thought-form attracts attention from many Christian and some occult groups. Many Thanks for the deeper explanations/explorations...this is what I enjoy in your posts...you go very deep.Cheers
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 0:57:16 GMT 9.5
Post by blackdragon1 on Jun 24, 2011 0:57:16 GMT 9.5
LUCIFER seems to be similar to The BAPHOMET Hi Blackdragon1, can't tell you how happy I am to see you joining in. Keep posting. Thanks LorrB. The folks here seem to be light years ahead of myself..so I have a lot of catching up to do
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 1:01:14 GMT 9.5
Post by blackdragon1 on Jun 24, 2011 1:01:14 GMT 9.5
I can see several threads arising from this one. The Lilith/Eve thread and the After Death thread. Would you guys like to go down that path? Masonically, some think of the Widow as Eve and the after death experience is definitely part of Freemasonry. Stewart and nventr can retell their experiences there also. Yes, we could explore those topics too
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 8:48:33 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 24, 2011 8:48:33 GMT 9.5
This has been an interesting thread for me. It pushed me to explore a matter that I had ignored.
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 8:56:05 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2011 8:56:05 GMT 9.5
Re - Planes.. I find some of Max Heindel's illustrations useful when trying to understand things. www.rosicrucian.com/rcc/rcceng00.htm(Image too large to post here... please access through link)
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 9:04:08 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 24, 2011 9:04:08 GMT 9.5
For experimental purposes I find it better to use a numerical system. This has the advantage of pointing out the natural resonances that provide leverage for the meta-physicist
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 9:08:44 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2011 9:08:44 GMT 9.5
This better? I think this might be equated with the 7 officers of a lodge and give meaning to the opening and closing ceremonies also.
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