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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 9:25:17 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2011 9:25:17 GMT 9.5
Paul I think I remember you posting a diagram once using the numerical system, can you repost it here?
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 12:37:51 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 24, 2011 12:37:51 GMT 9.5
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 12:46:40 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 24, 2011 12:46:40 GMT 9.5
There are many resonances, some of which are depicted.
For example the generative organs on 7.4, 6.4 and 5.4 are connected to the throat chakra on 7.3 and 6.3 and thence to the egoic lotus that extends across 5.3, 5.2 and 5.1
The connection between the generative organs and the throat is well known with a husky voice often observed in those whose creative energies have not risen.
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 13:38:41 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 24, 2011 13:38:41 GMT 9.5
You used the term meta-physicist earlier... you would need to be mentally agile to make sense of that diagram. Although now you have explained the connections of just one area above, it has given me a road map on how to approach it. Thanks.
Is there a simpler map around for beginners in this area?
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Lucifer
Jun 24, 2011 13:47:54 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 24, 2011 13:47:54 GMT 9.5
Here is a simpler version - lacking identification of how the subplanes connect into the subtle bodies of humans
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Lucifer
Jun 25, 2011 14:09:18 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 25, 2011 14:09:18 GMT 9.5
I was looking at the diagram you provided Paul to see if it matched up to anything in Masonry.
I can see an explanation for the shape of the apron - 3 over 4. I can see why the waistband might feature a serpent.
The middle chamber of the diagram is rather different to the rest also.
The Mental/Manasic/Cosmic Gaseous seen to be a bit of a band themselves.. dividing what is above and what is below.
Can this area perform the same sort of function as that of of a SD? ie carries the commands from Above to below?
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Lucifer
Jun 25, 2011 14:11:40 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 25, 2011 14:11:40 GMT 9.5
I try every new (to me) idea to what one finds in Freemasonry. I find it quite effective in giving me a little bit deeper understanding of things.
Everything seems to fit in somewhere or the other... maybe it is all telling us the same thing.
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Lucifer
Jun 25, 2011 17:20:45 GMT 9.5
Post by blackdragon1 on Jun 25, 2011 17:20:45 GMT 9.5
I try every new (to me) idea to what one finds in Freemasonry. I find it quite effective in giving me a little bit deeper understanding of things. Everything seems to fit in somewhere or the other... maybe it is all telling us the same thing. The is the most consistent 'message' I keep getting as I explore esoteric, magical and religious systems..as well as famous mythologies..everything seems to fit in somewhere..they all come together
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Lucifer
Jun 25, 2011 19:22:39 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jun 25, 2011 19:22:39 GMT 9.5
The Mental/Manasic/Cosmic Gaseous seen to be a bit of a band themselves.. dividing what is above and what is below. Can this area perform the same sort of function as that of of a SD? ie carries the commands from Above to below? The soul body (formed on 5.3, 5.2 and 5.1) serves to connect the higher to the lower. In the genuine 3rd degree initiate the higher mental resonates with higher planes allowing a degree of brain conscious contact with trans-personal energies and intelligences. Note also that the mental plane is divided into higher 3, lower 3 and the inter-connecting 5.4 where is found the highest part of the persona. (Similar 3-1-3 and 3-4 structures can be found on the other planes of the Cosmic Physical) Some humans on the devotional path may connect the astral directly to the buddhic - thereby bypassing the mental connection in linking the heart (intuition) to the emotions. Those humans may develop the mind somewhat later.
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Lucifer
Jun 27, 2011 10:36:21 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jun 27, 2011 10:36:21 GMT 9.5
Your diagram gives some broader meaning to the penalites also.. we penalise ourselves because of ignorance or ill considered decisions. Still that shouldn't come as a surprise, we do it all the time in the mundane world.
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Lucifer
Jan 25, 2012 11:04:58 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jan 25, 2012 11:04:58 GMT 9.5
Lucifer
similarly he (Benjamin Creme) has his own version of who Satan is.
”... is seen by Christian groups as the devil. It is nothing of the kind! Lucifer is really the name of the great angel who ensouls the human kingdom. Every human soul is an individualized part of one great oversoul. The name of that great oversoul, which is divine, is Lucifer. [19]
Adding that the Biblical story of Adam and Eve was just “a metaphor” that has been misinterpreted… and
It was not a fall from grace but a deliberate part of the plan of evolution, that the human souls had to give up "paradise", living in pralaya, a wonderful paradisaical state of endless bliss, and "eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge" -- take incarnation on the physical plane in these as-yet-animal men. That is what happened, and that has been misinterpreted as a fall from grace: that Lucifer was a great angel but he rebelled against God and thought he was as good as God, and so was put out of heaven. It is a story, only a story, and totally misinterpreted. It is really the story of the incarnation of the human evolution. [19] Lucifer - the Light Bringer. www.inplainsite.org/html/maitreya.html
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Lucifer
Jan 25, 2012 13:09:02 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Jan 25, 2012 13:09:02 GMT 9.5
There may be layers of meaning to this legend with the net message being that it is harder than it should be for humans to progress morally and spiritually.
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Lucifer
Jan 27, 2012 8:41:19 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Jan 27, 2012 8:41:19 GMT 9.5
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Lucifer
Mar 20, 2012 11:44:09 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Mar 20, 2012 11:44:09 GMT 9.5
A bolt of lightening looks a lot like a snake doesn't it. Just a thought.
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Lucifer
Mar 20, 2012 11:48:29 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Mar 20, 2012 11:48:29 GMT 9.5
“How art thou fallen from heaven,” wrote Isaiah, “Oh Lucifer, son of the morning.”Lucifer = Light Bringer... Read on and rejoice (or not ;D ) Longish but WELL WORTH THE READ. Dr. Velikovsky willingly conceded that the behavior of the earth and the comet in his description is not in accord with the celestial mechanics of Newton. Indeed, it invites skepticism as to the infallibility of the law of Gravitation, a law heretofore so firmly established that it has never been successfully combined into one system with the laws of electromagnetics. It is Dr. Velikovsky’s contention that over three thousand years ago Nature performed a great experiment, in which it was demonstrated that the electromagnetic laws are as supreme in the heavens as they are inside the atom. Niels Bohr was one of the first to compare the atom with the sun and the planets. The nucleus is like the sun, and the electrons are like the planets - but in applying the quantum theory to the atom it was found that things happen inside it that are not supposed to happen in the solar system. John J. O’Neill, science editor of the New york Herald Tribune, has written this description of the atom’s peculiarities:
In the atom, electrons revolve around the nucleus of the atom in a quiet, orderly, orbital, rotation, just like the earth moving around the sun, and may go through billions of rotations, or atomic years, without any major changes taking place. Suddenly the atom emits a quantum of energy, and [an] electron drops to an orbit nearer the nucleus, where its “year” is shorter, or the reverse may happen: a quantum of energy is absorbed by the atom, and [an] electron jumps to a higher, or outer orbit, where its year is longer.
In the same article from which this quotation is taken, Mr. O’Neill discussed the probable impact of Dr. Velikovsky’s research on the comfortable assumption that the planets and the jumping electron have nothing gin common. “Dr. Velikovsky finds evidence for new planets appearing in the sky,” wrote Mr. O’Neill, “and for the earth being struck by and passing through tails of comets.... [His work] presents a stupendous panorama of terrestrial and human history which will stand as a challenge to scientists to frame a realistic picture of the cosmos.
A charged body which rotates creates a magnetic field. The sun is a charged body, and it rotates, and charged particles arrive from it in a continuous stream. The earth is a charged body, and it rotates, and it possesses a magnetic field. If the magnetic field of the sun were to govern the earth’s motion, then after an encounter with a comet the earth could resume its rotation, though on a changed orbit. If it is true that the comet and the earth exchanged electrical discharges, as Dr. Velikovsky maintains that they did, then there may be even reason to suppose that the earth’s “inertia” is electrical in character. How do we know that the earth and the planets are so different from the electrons inside the atom. The answer has been phrased thus: “We do not read in the morning paper that Saturn and Mars have changed their places.” But we do read in the ancient records, says Dr. Velikovsky, that Venus, mars, and Earth have changed theirs.
Venus is the Morning and the Evening Star. It is the most conspicuous of the planets. Early astronomers observed its motion with great care, and the Mexicans computed the day when they thought the world would end by a cycle of fifty-two years based on Venus. So bright is Venus in the sky, in fact, that it is most remarkable to fin no record of its existence prior to the second millennium B.C.
Early Babylonian astronomy counted four planets and four only - Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, and Mercury. In the Hindu table of the planets attributed to 3012 B.C., Venus alone is missing, and it is said that the Brahmans “never mentioned five planets.” Later Venus is called “the great star that joins the other great stars” by the Babylonians. In all traditions the Morning Star is described as having a special birth, an event of great significance to the Tahitians, the Eskimos, and the Buriats, the Kirghiz, and the Yakuts of Siberia, as well as to more sophisticated peoples. Hesiod said the Phaeton, whose name means blazing star, drove the chariot of the sun too close to the earth, disturbing its rotation and was later changed into the Morning Star. The Chinese tell of a “brilliant Star” that appeared in the region of Yahou, and a Samaritan chronicle says that during the invasion of palestine by Joshua “a star arose out of the east against which all magic is in vain.” At the time of great catastrophes, Quetzalcoatl, the Venus of the Mayans, appeared in the sky for the first time. And the Chaldeans and the Chinese are in agreement that Venus “rivaled the sun in brightness.”
Dr. Velikovsky brings strong evidence to bear that the comet which so terrorized the earth was in fact the planet Venus - newly born, by eruption from a larger planet. While is was still a comet, Venus wandered erratically, which is why its course was so closely watched, why the Venus Tablets of Nineveh do not seem to make sense, and why the appearance of a comet has always aroused premonitions of disaster everywhere in the world. The dreaded comet Venus that was later to become a planet had many names -- Tistrya, Ishtar, Astarte, Isis, Baal, Beelzebub, Lucifer. Often it was confused with Jupiter (Isis in Egypt and Ishtar in Babylon were first names for Venus), for Jupiter was the planet from which Venus erupted as a planet.
Student of Greek and Roman mythology may object that according to legend it was Pallas Athene, or Minerva, who “sprang full grown from the brow of Jupiter.” The classical scholar may wonder, however, why Greek mythology contains no deity for the planet Venus and no planet for the deity Pallas Athene. The Greek equivalent of the Roman “Venus” was Aphrodite, who was identified with the Moon. The answer, once known but long forgotten, is that Pallas Athene was the Greek name for the planet Venus. (Plutarch said that Minerva of the Romans and Athene of the Greeks were the same as Isis of the Egyptians; Pliny said that Isis was the planet Venus.) The birth of Pallas Athene was “a day of wrath in all the calendars of ancient Chaldea.” During the birth of Athene, described in a Homeric hymn, the earth reeled and the sun stopped for a “long while”.
For many centuries the inhabitants of the earth were in such fear of Venus that human sacrifice was practiced in both hemispheres in the hope of placating its wrath. The Mexicans were so profoundly affected by the fifty-two year interval between Venus’ two encounters with the earth the they adopted the period in their calendar and made bloody sacrifices to Quetzalcoatl - the feathered serpent” who was identified with the Morning Star - when fifty-two years passed without harm. The years of terror lasted until the seventh century B.C. Venus, as the result of an encounter with another body, took up its present orbit and changed from a wild comet to a tame planet. Venus’ flirtation with another planet - that is, with Mars -- is a common theme in mythology. This meeting, a battle of Athene with the God of War, is described in the lliad, a conflict in the heavens which took place at the same time as the siege of Troy, “It is the conjunction of venus and Mars,” wrote Kucien, “that created the poetry of Homer.
The encounter between Venus and Mars disturbed Mars’ orbit, and at intervals of fifteen years Mars also passed close to the earth. On two days in particular - February 26, 747 B.C. and March 23, 687 B.C. - Mars caused a repetition of the earlier catastrophes on a smaller scale. In the year 747 B.C. a new calendar was introduced in the Middle East. It began on the 26th of February, and in the calendar of Mexico the 26th of February was also counted as New Year’s Day. It is during this period that the worship of Mars came into prominence among peoples whose institutions were not fully formed. The Romans had a vigorous cult of mars and regarded Mars as their national god, the founder of their state, and father of Romulus. The chief celebration of the Roams mars cult was on the 23rd of March. On the night of the 23rd of March, 687 B.C., the army of Sennacherib, the Assyrian king who invaded Palestine, was destroyed by a blast of fire from the sky. “On the 23rd of March, 687 B.C.,” wrote Edouard Biot in his catalogue of the meteors which were observed in ancient China, the fixed stars were not visible but, “in the middle of the night stars fell like rain.”
The battle between Venus and Mars ended with Venus, shorn of its power to disturb humankind, rotating on the the serene orbit it now occupies. Venus seemed to have fallen from its earlier eminence. This was the period of the Hebrew Prophets, men of astronomical skill who from watchtowers built in Judea, as elsewhere in the East (“Watchman, what of the night?”) recorded and predicted Mars’ fifteen-year approach to the earth and warned the people and their kings of coming catastrophes. After an upheaval that took place in the eighth century B.C., “Isaiah, Joel, Hosea, and Micah insisted unanimously and with great emphasis on the inevitability of another encounter of the earth with some cosmic body.” Their prophecies were fulfilled on the days when Mars came close to the earth and moved it from its place.
Finally they observed that a hated enemy - Beelzebub, the Morning Star, who had provoked pagan worship - was no longer powerful. Venus, which had “weakened the nations” and had tried to ascend on high, was cut down to the ground. “How art thou fallen from heaven,” wrote Isaiah, “Oh Lucifer, son of the morning.” www.tmgnow.com/repository/secret/velikovsky.html
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