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Post by jackjack on Mar 16, 2012 2:58:45 GMT 9.5
Study...and then contemplate and meditate.
The cow does it all the time
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Post by brandt on Mar 16, 2012 10:12:39 GMT 9.5
Any chance that contemplation and meditation can lead one of wrong conclusions?
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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2012 10:15:19 GMT 9.5
That is an interesting question. Certainly there are dark intelligences that happily capture humans, and may well provide experiences, skills and technologies to sweeten the deal.
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Post by brandt on Mar 16, 2012 10:16:13 GMT 9.5
Even without dark forces, a person can just be wrong.
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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2012 10:21:24 GMT 9.5
Quite so, although it turns out hard to make a statement that has no relationship to what is real.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 16, 2012 12:50:07 GMT 9.5
Maxwell Freedom Long says most of us have three common complexes which we need to recognise when seeking further knowledge... The science complex, the religious complex and I forget the third for the moment. I know I have them all I kept nodding my head in recognition as he used examples. All of these complexes make us vulnerable to error. I guess as we progress we see some things more clearly than previously... with new 'eyes' - complex free.
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Post by brandt on Mar 16, 2012 13:35:55 GMT 9.5
That is full of error if the progress is a self-report matter.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 16, 2012 14:05:52 GMT 9.5
You are right of course ... but I may be wrong about that
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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2012 16:49:13 GMT 9.5
... I guess as we progress we see some things more clearly than previously... with new 'eyes' - complex free. The obvious test of this is when we no longer react emotionally or mentally to statements and events
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Post by Henka on Mar 16, 2012 22:14:47 GMT 9.5
Any chance that contemplation and meditation can lead one of wrong conclusions? Yes. Too much emphasis on the spiritual can lead one into delusion.
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Post by Henka on Mar 16, 2012 22:15:29 GMT 9.5
Maxwell Freedom Long says most of us have three common complexes which we need to recognise when seeking further knowledge... The science complex, the religious complex and I forget the third for the moment. I know I have them all I kept nodding my head in recognition as he used examples. All of these complexes make us vulnerable to error. I guess as we progress we see some things more clearly than previously... with new 'eyes' - complex free. And he is an "expert" why?
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Post by Henka on Mar 16, 2012 22:16:19 GMT 9.5
... I guess as we progress we see some things more clearly than previously... with new 'eyes' - complex free. The obvious test of this is when we no longer react emotionally or mentally to statements and events Have we then not lost our humanity?
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Post by paul on Mar 17, 2012 5:29:47 GMT 9.5
... And he is an "expert" why? "why" is a hard question. As to "how", he reports that he received training to which few Europeans had access. Some have found his accounts a useful complement to their own training or discovery.
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Post by paul on Mar 17, 2012 5:33:06 GMT 9.5
The obvious test of this is when we no longer react emotionally or mentally to statements and events Have we then not lost our humanity? I had rather hoped that humanity could be more fully expressed through response rather than reaction. I am reminded of my youth when I took up TM. Some meditators complained that they were losing their personalities. Perhaps the persona (mask) was all they knew.
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Post by Henka on Mar 18, 2012 10:49:08 GMT 9.5
As to "how", he reports that he received training to which few Europeans had access. Some have found his accounts a useful complement to their own training or discovery. I see, he claims so himself. Got it.
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Post by paul on Mar 18, 2012 11:00:57 GMT 9.5
I suggest the test is: by their fruit you shall know them.
Those who do not find his accounts useful, no doubt find other sources more relevant.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 19, 2012 8:20:39 GMT 9.5
Henka, Maxwell Freedom Long's work taught me why Freemasonry places so much emphasis on ritual. Yes, there IS a very good reason for the endless repeating of ritual.
And, no, I am not going to tell you what that is all about. You shall have to discover it by yourself.
It is scientific.
If anyone else is interested... his book "The Secret Science behind Miracles" is a very enjoyable as well as informative read.
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Post by paul on Mar 19, 2012 8:23:09 GMT 9.5
The Secret Science behind Miracles may give us hope that the fabled Masonic Science actually exists.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 19, 2012 8:23:20 GMT 9.5
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Post by jackjack on Mar 20, 2012 18:23:03 GMT 9.5
I do not think that contemplation and meditation can lead one to wrong conclusions; I think it all depends on the purpose of WHY you are meditating or contemplating. Visualization techniques and things like this, well, I feel they are a hindrance more then a blessing. Contemplation and meditation should be used for: 1. Exercising your spiritual mind 2. Cultivating your spiritual senses 3. Learning discernment 4. Exercising your spiritual body 5. Connecting with God The latter reason should be one's primary goal in practicing meditation and contemplation; out of loving God comes the secret knowledge, the discernment, and the exercising of your spirit. These blessings, however, should not be the reason why we meditate and contemplate. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all of these things shall be added unto youwww.youtube.com/watch?v=xbAtSP-CFQg
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