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Post by Deluded fool on Feb 28, 2012 18:58:39 GMT 9.5
Franz Bardon was a stage magician (Frabato the Magician) and Jesus wrote nothing, spoke in parable in public and communicated his wisdom mouth to ear to a selected few.
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Post by stewart edwards on Feb 28, 2012 20:06:42 GMT 9.5
Franz Bardon was a stage magician (Frabato the Magician) and Jesus wrote nothing, spoke in parable in public and communicated his wisdom mouth to ear to a selected few. Yet look at what his words have achieved! Re Bardon, deluded fool, while I have read his books, and while I did enjoy his novel Frabrato the magician, the fact that he was a stage magician to earn money does not in any way distract from his esoteric knowledge. A farmer, postman, or prison warder could be an adept, just as a member of the magic circle could be. Bardons books are a bit heavy for me, but in their day I am sure they were very useful and no doubt remain of great value to many in our world today. As I am broke just now I am thinking of selling mine, but I am suprised at the prejudice you seem to hold over a mans job having any relation to his esoteric awareness.
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Post by Henka on Feb 29, 2012 0:36:00 GMT 9.5
Stewart, when one claims adepthood, but treats others with derision and contempt, it calls such a claim into question.
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Post by stewart edwards on Feb 29, 2012 2:07:03 GMT 9.5
Stewart, when one claims adepthood, but treats others with derision and contempt, it calls such a claim into question. Well henka, remember I have done what I have done outwith the esoteric society structure in our world. Not having gone through the training stages in "Class or even from books" of whatever flavour, I am in no position to comment on whether someone is an adept or not, for those titles dont mean a great deal to me, as they have not been part of my life experience. All that I can do is look at what someone claims to be and judge that against any published standards. But truth be told I have no idea what level of wisdom/abilities/understanding an adept is suppost to have. All that I know, for myself, is that I clearly know more than some, and less than others. But I do agree with you Henka, it is important to be nice to others. Sadly for myself sometimes I inadvertently fall short due to my blundering social skills. I cant be the only blundering fool out there
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Post by Henka on Feb 29, 2012 4:46:10 GMT 9.5
I make no claim to adepthood either.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 29, 2012 8:30:08 GMT 9.5
Talking about Temples Within, I had a significant dream about 7 years ago... I knew 'I' was inside my own body in the neck area, I wanted to ascend to the skull but could not quite reach it. Something unseen bought along a chair so I could manage the final steep step up. Once inside the skull I found that it was a small chapel, it was beautiful with a warm atmosphere, some people were praying (?). My attention was brought to the floor, which was polished wooden floor boards, but there was a small flaw... the nailing was not finished off correctly. Some nails just here and there were above the surface and some were below. Interpretation ? ..... well at least I have a chapel going for me even if it needs some more goundwork ..... I'm pretty good at hammering ;D I love the way All communcates with us.
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Post by Saul of Tarsus on Feb 29, 2012 17:21:45 GMT 9.5
Franz Bardon was a stage magician (Frabato the Magician) and Jesus wrote nothing, spoke in parable in public and communicated his wisdom mouth to ear to a selected few. Yet look at what his words have achieved! Re Bardon, deluded fool, while I have read his books, and while I did enjoy his novel Frabrato the magician, the fact that he was a stage magician to earn money does not in any way distract from his esoteric knowledge. A farmer, postman, or prison warder could be an adept, just as a member of the magic circle could be. Bardons books are a bit heavy for me, but in their day I am sure they were very useful and no doubt remain of great value to many in our world today. As I am broke just now I am thinking of selling mine, but I am suprised at the prejudice you seem to hold over a mans job having any relation to his esoteric awareness. Spot on. Christianity or Paulianity, look what it has achieved . Stewart, how would you know genuine esoteric teachings if you stumbled upon it? Try reading "The Idyll of the White Lotus" by Mabel Collins to get an idea of the distinction between genuine adepts and their corrupt pretenders.
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Post by stewart edwards on Feb 29, 2012 22:05:25 GMT 9.5
Stewart, how would you know genuine esoteric teachings if you stumbled upon it? Largely from my interaction with the masonic world over the past decade, especially with those in the esoteric orders and with those in fraternities that have esoterics more firmly at the craft level. Though to be fair I did think that I was going a bit loopy at first, but the masonic world was there to comfort me and confirm that I was on the right path. Clearly I could have completely misunderstood everything and/or been misled. All that matters though Saul of Taurus is that it works for me. If others get any benefit form my own life experiences then great, a useful by product.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 1, 2012 7:27:09 GMT 9.5
I did think that I was going a bit loopy at first Pass Brother
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Post by Henka on Mar 1, 2012 9:10:29 GMT 9.5
I did think that I was going a bit loopy at first Pass Brother
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Post by Xenophanes on Mar 1, 2012 17:04:51 GMT 9.5
Stewart, how would you know genuine esoteric teachings if you stumbled upon it? Largely from my interaction with the masonic world over the past decade, especially with those in the esoteric orders and with those in fraternities that have esoterics more firmly at the craft level. Though to be fair I did think that I was going a bit loopy at first, but the masonic world was there to comfort me and confirm that I was on the right path. Clearly I could have completely misunderstood everything and/or been misled. All that matters though Saul of Taurus is that it works for me. If others get any benefit form my own life experiences then great, a useful by product. "The gods did not reveal, from the beginning, all things to us, but in the course of time through seeking we may learn and know things better. But as for certain truth, no man has known it, nor shall he know it, neither of the gods nor yet of all the things of which I speak. For even if by chance he were to utter the final truth, he would himself not know it: For all is but a woven web of guesses."
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Post by LorrB on Mar 2, 2012 7:10:37 GMT 9.5
So we can assume that all 'guesses' are ok.. each guess can be discussed with equilibrium?
And can we assume that all those famous people you love to quote are just 'guessing' like the rest of us?
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Post by paul on Mar 2, 2012 17:34:36 GMT 9.5
Smithee
I deleted 6 of your posts that only quoted other people about science.
Do try to stick to the topic and do try to add something of interest.
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Post by Alam on Mar 2, 2012 20:52:12 GMT 9.5
Smithee I deleted 6 of your posts that only quoted other people about science. Do try to stick to the topic and do try to add something of interest. I am not surprised. I personally endorse each one. They were all interesting and relevant and were posted in rely to So we can assume that all 'guesses' are ok.. each guess can be discussed with equilibrium? And can we assume that all those famous people you love to quote are just 'guessing' like the rest of us? Too bad you have denied others the opportunity of reading those insightful responses.
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Post by Isaac Asimov on Mar 3, 2012 5:16:21 GMT 9.5
Here is my pick of the eight posts you deleted.
“When people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.”
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Post by stewartedwards on Mar 3, 2012 6:04:20 GMT 9.5
A different perspective
When I nearly died I went through the tunnel of light all the way to the old gates of heaven. Religions may tell you that is the way it is. Science may tell you that it is brain chemicals going do lally.
Who is right - science or conventional wisdom?
Now turn this around, science, Einstein proved that E=MC2, everything is energy, old esoteric teachings. Conventional wisdom may say that this is nonsense.
You never know what science will prove, if the egos of older scientists (thinking of genes here how the true number took some time to be accepted allegendly due to an aritmetical errror by the chap who found them) and if conventional wisdom will allow it.
Bitterness serves only darkness.
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Post by paul on Mar 3, 2012 6:17:38 GMT 9.5
... Bitterness serves only darkness. An excellent observation.
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Post by LVX on Mar 3, 2012 14:33:40 GMT 9.5
... Bitterness serves only darkness. An excellent observation. Oh dear, I hope neither of you is bitter. Remember Truth not only serves Light, in Masonry it is Light.
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Post by brandt on Mar 3, 2012 14:38:19 GMT 9.5
We are all only interested in light. Who is bitter?
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Post by LorrB on Mar 5, 2012 7:00:40 GMT 9.5
It has been said by professionals that the state of a person's inner world (or temple) can be observed to some extentt by the state of his outer world.
Sometimes it is easier for a stranger to observe the state of our temple.
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