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Post by brandt on Feb 27, 2012 14:08:52 GMT 9.5
Sekhmet, you know absolutely nothing about me. I can tell you that I only show enough to win the watermelon. Considering that I am a Mason and you are not I might be in a better place to speak on the matter than you.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 27, 2012 14:40:23 GMT 9.5
Let's just say that I know as much about you as I need to know... F'r instance, the fact that you are waving around "Masonic' credentials" and not "Qabalistic credentials" lets me know that I am dealing with an "empty barrel".
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Post by brandt on Feb 27, 2012 14:56:01 GMT 9.5
Of course. One could also support your thesis and say that you are waving around Qabalistic credentials and not Masonic credentials which should let you know that you are dealing with an empty barrel.
From where do you Qabalistic credentials come from? What was the Rebbe's name?
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Post by paul on Feb 27, 2012 14:58:02 GMT 9.5
We are each entitled to our self-image.
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Post by brandt on Feb 27, 2012 15:09:44 GMT 9.5
No doubt, all are entitled to their own self-image. This isn't really a matter of self-image though. Considering that I am an "empty barrel," though I am a Mason and Sekhmet is not. I would think that a Mason would be better suited to discuss Masonry than a non-Mason. That isn't a personal attack at all.
I am curious though. I would just like to know from where the Qabala master got here training and credentials. That should be easy.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 28, 2012 2:16:30 GMT 9.5
Of course. One could also support your thesis and say that you are waving around Qabalistic credentials and not Masonic credentials which should let you know that you are dealing with an empty barrel. From where do you Qabalistic credentials come from? What was the Rebbe's name? The "Rebbe"'s names are "Aleister Crowley and Dion Fortune".. Again you demonstrate that you are not actually bothering to read anything I write; I have stated MANY times that I am a HERMETIC QABALIST, thus no 'rebbes ("rebbahim?" ) involved. The Jews certainly do not have a "lock" on the Tree of Life"; they don't even SPELL "Qabalah" correctly. Plus, as I have also said before, the meditative method will yield results to those who meditate on the Tree; I'd say 7-8 years of several hours meditation a night constitudes a certain degree of dedication to the method. And thanks for the "empty barrel" demonstration; I knew it all along but had no confirmation. Now you have provided it for all to see.>tips hat<
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Post by cwhite on Feb 28, 2012 2:57:11 GMT 9.5
Clay walls are moulded into a pot, but the usefulness of the pot lies in its emptiness. ~Lao Tzu
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 28, 2012 5:16:32 GMT 9.5
Yes, but it must be noted that maxim applies to "POTS", not to "HUMANS".The usefullness of a pot is in its emptiness, true enough. Being 'empty" in a metaphorical sense is well when one is a disciple to a teacher that one desires to learn from, but not otherwise...context is everything!
What about a metaphorical "pot" that claims to be 'full" but is in fact proving itself 'empty" with every word they speak, and when challenged to produce, claims that it cannot do so because its alleged contents "must not be revealed to the profane"? Very convenient dodge, that! Funny how someone so steeped in "profound knowledge" doesn't know that 'the true secrets protect themselves"!
One must also remark that if this someone really has such knowledge and is so very terrified of 'revealing anything to the profane', then perhaps they (and thir alleged 'secrets") shouldn't be here on a public board!
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Post by LorrB on Feb 28, 2012 7:14:20 GMT 9.5
I like Massey's books.... see page 221 in your link.. he makes mention of the 'field of papyrus reeds' oozing with the water of life that supplied the world. The Red/Reed Sea ? ...blood...
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Post by LorrB on Feb 28, 2012 7:33:03 GMT 9.5
Sekhmet - will you please stop insulting people, races and traditions. The fact that you do so on a continuing basis suggests that you, yourself, have a little to learn also.
If you find us all so ignorant (and everybody else so it seems) I suggest you find a forum more suited to your particular style and talent.
We are friends here, we do not agree with each other, quite the opposite, but that is what makes it a good experience for us all. We are a family of sorts.
Respect one another, we are all Children of God.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 28, 2012 9:04:52 GMT 9.5
Sekhmet - will you please stop insulting people, races and traditions. The fact that you do so on a continuing basis suggests that you, yourself, have a little to learn also. So, where do you derive "insult" from factual statements? Hermetic "Qabalah" is definitely different from Jewish "Kabbalah". How is this "insulting?"
The Jews do not in fact have a lock on this knowledge; they themselves are peddling it for big bucks these days! Just ask MADONNA. How is remarking on this FACT "insulting?"
The Jews habitually transcribe "Kabbalah" with a K ; it is in fact spelled "QBLH" in Hebrew. Last I checked, K was a different letter from Q. So how is pointing this out "insulting"?
Since when was telling 'the truth" an "insult"? If you find us all so ignorant (and everybody else so it seems) I suggest you find a forum more suited to your particular style and talent. Funny how my comments to ONE person have, all of a sudden, been ascribed to "all". Are you looking to contrive insult from my remarks so that you will have "justification" to bar me from the site, perhaps? Or is it just that my remarks in the thread "King of Terrors" have set you on edge once again? Funny that such remarks would disturb a MM so badly! Isn't the Masonic Third Degree supposed to resolve all this sort of fearful attitude?We are friends here, we do not agree with each other, quite the opposite, but that is what makes it a good experience for us all. We are a family of sorts. Some of the most vicious antagonisms between people are played out in the 'family" arena", so being "a family" is hardly a recommendation for mutual amity. I am the "black sheep" of my own family; perhaps that will clarify my position!;-)Respect one another, we are all Children of God. One cannot 'command' respect, it can only be EARNED.
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Post by paul on Feb 28, 2012 9:14:28 GMT 9.5
Since when was telling 'the truth" an "insult"? ... "Truth" as we know is a reification - a quality turned into an object - hence "truth" is apparently objective. A better usage might be to ask: To what is this statement true? Having asked that, we can see that Truth is relative to whatever standard we choose. Thus I might ask: Whose truth? Each us is free to choose our own Truth. Sooner or later we will choose wisely.
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Post by Henka on Feb 28, 2012 10:24:40 GMT 9.5
Yes, but it must be noted that maxim applies to "POTS", not to "HUMANS".The usefullness of a pot is in its emptiness, true enough. Being 'empty" in a metaphorical sense is well when one is a disciple to a teacher that one desires to learn from, but not otherwise...context is everything! We all are perpetual students. Often the student can teach the Master. One who is a true adept, however, does not feel the need to crow his achievements in public. When one does so, it quite naturally creates suspicion in the minds of one's audience.
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Post by Henka on Feb 28, 2012 10:41:22 GMT 9.5
I am the "black sheep" of my own family; perhaps that will clarify my position!;-) Perhaps that unfortunate situation is of your own choosing? Perhaps this points to something of which you should take note? Respect is mutual, and something one does as a matter of course if one reaches a certain level of attainment. We are all part of the human family, we are all part and parcel of the source. As such, it is incumbent upon us to respect the godhood in each of us. I tease Paul about aliens, he is good natured enough to take it in the spirit intended. Brandt's questioning is not disrespectful, but is intended to probe your claims of adepthood.
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Post by sekhmet on Feb 28, 2012 12:02:07 GMT 9.5
I am the "black sheep" of my own family; perhaps that will clarify my position!;-) Perhaps that unfortunate situation is of your own choosing? Perhaps this points to something of which you should take note? Who said it was an "unfortunate' situation? I consider myself fortunate to be disburdened of the obligation to pander to people who prefer to dwell in delusion and pretense.Respect is mutual, and something one does as a matter of course if one reaches a certain level of attainment. That being so, make sure you tell that to brandt, too, eh? We are all part of the human family, we are all part and parcel of the source. The same could be said of feces. As such, it is incumbent upon us to respect the godhood in each of us. I tease Paul about aliens, he is good natured enough to take it in the spirit intended. Brandt's questioning is not disrespectful, but is intended to probe your claims of adepthood. You are speaking of someone who claims "there is no such thing as telepathy", but who at the same time claims to be 'psychic". Such a divided mind is no mark of "adepthood".
Thus it must be said: Only an adept can determine "adepthood". Funny, Paul doesn't seem to have had any problem with my "claims to adepthood"! (But then, HE's an adept!)
I am sure that this fact is what is gnawing brandt's vitals...and now we have b. waving his apron around as if it were a badge of "supreme enlightenment", and yattering on about "not sharing secrets before the profane". I also know who THAT snide remark was being directed at- but you had no problem with THAT, right? But the platitudes about 'respect" and the holier-than-thou self-righteousness sure started flying around the moment I spoke up for myself!
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Post by brandt on Feb 28, 2012 13:02:21 GMT 9.5
So Crowley and Fortune are your teachers, both of whom you have never met. Do you consider this to be an attack on your character as well.
I actually do not need your respect and I have never needed your confirmation of my beliefs. That is why I don't argue my beliefs with you. Yes, I am a Mason and therefore more qualified to speak on the subject that you are, considering that you are not a Mason. That is also not a character attack. It is a statement of fact. You are not a Mason. That being the case, you are profane - meaning "outside the temple" and not properly admitted to Masonry. Also not a personal attack.
Regarding telepathy, what am I thinking right now. Or send me a thought.
One personal statement. There is absolutely nothing about you that could gnaw at my vitals. Your estimation of yourself is obviously great but sadly it appears to be naive.
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Post by paul on Feb 28, 2012 13:11:47 GMT 9.5
OK guys. Let us call this a draw and return to demonstrating that there is a temple within.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 28, 2012 13:30:09 GMT 9.5
OK guys. Let us call this a draw and return to demonstrating that there is a temple within. A draw? It was not a competition Paul. There is no room for ongoing disrespectful behaviour on this forum, adept or not.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 28, 2012 13:35:13 GMT 9.5
Having re-read post #54 I think we can continue on without Sekhmet for a while. Cooling off period.
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Post by stewart edwards on Feb 28, 2012 16:47:21 GMT 9.5
One who is a true adept, however, does not feel the need to crow his achievements in public. When one does so, it quite naturally creates suspicion in the minds of one's audience. Henka I have been thinking hard about this and I am not sure that it is totally accurate. Can you help me understand it a little better please? My thought process here:- 1. Once you become an adept then you have a deep responsibility to use your understandings wisely. 2. Throughout history adepts have been publicising their work. Jesus walked this Earth touching hearts, Franz Bardon wrote his books. 3. Commonly once an adept dies People form esoteric societies using the adepts teachings eg Rosicrucianism, Martinism, even I guess Christianity. Now, I may be a deluded fool, that is certainly possible, but equally I can understand why Adepts can and do publicise their work. It is to help others find their way, to be of assistance to humanity, and other life on this planet. As someone wrote earlier the true secrets protect themselves. If someone is not ready for them they wont get them. But if they are not available then few will find them. Which is why darkness always does it level best to keep them secret, for it fears more of humanity finding them. Which is a bit silly really, especially at this moment in time, when it is distinctly in darkness's interest to allow more people to find them, but such is human nature. To take a simple and I have chosen this for its fun value, example. There was a time that Prince Charles talked about talking to plants and I laughed at the thought of it. Now i see his point. There was a time that Paul talked about tree hugging and I simply did not get it. I still dont, but I do now talk to trees. Not sure that I would ever hug one, but the wisdom held in trees really is astounding, yet they share some human frailties like jealousy. Now clearly I could be as mad as a hatter. Or perhaps I have been fortunate enough to have been able to master some aspects of the hidden mysteries. If I have should I keep stum in fear of those who would ridicule, or should I write a "Lord of the Rings" (with I were that talented). Some people look at LoTR and see a story, others esoteric teachings, same with Walk Disney's work - he certainly did not hide his esoteric knowledge away. It takes a lot of courage for someone to share the hidden mysteries with the world, and whether it is "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" or "Walt Disney" - even to this day that studio must be full of adepts (just listen to the words in the songs of the first high school musical if you have any doubts). The truth is in the eating though. IF someone shares something that makes someone else have an "aha" moment than they have done their job. If 1000 others ridicule them, then that says more about the 1000 others than anyone else. That person who was ready for that "aha" moment can now talk a positive step forwards. And that is what it is all about. Just my opinion obviously.
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