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Post by paul on Feb 24, 2017 14:46:04 GMT 9.5
>Humans dont have souls according to CS Lewis As we are souls
In both the Egyptian and Kabbalistic traditions there are 5 souls per human. Which, if any, is the real human?
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Post by sc on Feb 24, 2017 16:04:38 GMT 9.5
It's a good question. I have also read that their are 7, one for each associated chakra although each dissolving over time except for one the highest. It went onto say that each is a conscience and dissolving according to each state from the grosses onward. ( I had lost the reference for this )
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Post by paul on Feb 24, 2017 18:12:23 GMT 9.5
>7, one for each associated chakra
Humans have at least one intelligence per chakra. The intelligences range from elementals through nature spirits to devic enities.
The quality of those intelligences is related to the quality of the human including by history and by allocation.
But what then is the human? A loose collection of entities that more or less cooperate?
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Post by fjrogers on Feb 25, 2017 15:30:27 GMT 9.5
Humans are supposed to have 7 bodies, the physical one being the solid vehicle and the others more subtle. The monad vibrates at a higher rate than the etheric body. This is a fully functioning ordinary human. A spiritual human is more integrated in vibratory rate and therefore the bodies are more integrated.
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Post by sc on Feb 26, 2017 1:20:33 GMT 9.5
Is this to say that we have 7 seven bodies, 7 intelligences and there for 7 souls?
Or 7 attributes within 1 body influencing both our subconscious and conscious causing the effects which determines the outcome of our 1 soul after this life ?
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Feb 26, 2017 2:37:25 GMT 9.5
I have difficulty comprehending all this. I read and read but I am aware that I don't get it. Recently I have come to the conclusion that at some point in the past I decided to separate/abandon/discard some parts of my self. I think part of the reason I have such difficulty understanding certain concepts is that the part of me that intuitively recognizes these concepts is among the discarded parts. Getting those parts back feels a lot like holding your breath underwater and hoping you make it to the surface before you start gasping for air.
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2017 4:50:08 GMT 9.5
>Is this to say that we have 7 seven bodies, 7 intelligences and there for 7 souls?
Conventionally there are 7 major chakras, 49 secondary chakras and 343 tertiary chakras - each with its own intelligent substance and generally with its own operating intelligence.
>7 attributes within 1 body influencing both our subconscious and conscious causing the effects which determines the outcome of our 1 soul
These intelligences need to be house-trained by the human so that the human can get its act together.
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2017 4:58:23 GMT 9.5
> come to the conclusion that at some point in the past I decided to separate/abandon/discard some parts of my self.
Disowning parts of our self is commonplace and results in actions that are not under our control. Hence comments such as: I don't know why I did that! Or: I don't understand myself!
>part of me that intuitively recognizes these concepts is among the discarded parts
I know a person who was having such bad luck in his travels that he stopped telling people where he was going. He thought he was subject to adverse influences. I spoke to him over the phone about this and after a while I saw a dark shape, similar in size to his body that was just behind him.
Now he is a rather good person and tries to be so, so it occurred to me that he was rejecting his darkness. I drew his attention to the dark shape and suggested that it was part of him and he should love it.
The dark shape merged with him and he felt warm energy tinglings in his body and felt much better.
And his bad luck stopped.
It seemed to me that his unintegrated parts were communicating as best they could that they wanted to come home.
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2017 5:37:24 GMT 9.5
As to the number of souls, here is a very recent proposition:
"The Monad is the highest aspect of self and is in direct service to God. Each Monad ideally creates 12 Souls. Each Soul then ideally creates 12 personality extensions. As a personality extension, the goal is to evolve to Soul Merge then Monadic Merge."
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Post by fjrogers on Feb 26, 2017 13:41:54 GMT 9.5
As to the number of souls, here is a very recent proposition: "The Monad is the highest aspect of self and is in direct service to God. Each Monad ideally creates 12 Souls. Each Soul then ideally creates 12 personality extensions. As a personality extension, the goal is to evolve to Soul Merge then Monadic Merge." I think Alice Baily explains quite a lot about the Monad and the subtle aspects of human beings in the books she wrote through DK.
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Post by sc on Feb 27, 2017 16:33:12 GMT 9.5
I drew his attention to the dark shape and suggested that it was part of him and he should love it.
The dark shape merged with him and he felt warm energy tinglings in his body and felt much better.
And his bad luck stopped.
It seemed to me that his unintegrated parts were communicating as best they could that they wanted to come home.
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I had the exact same experience where I was very much intune with this side of us however had cut it off some how in my actions and attemps to refine my self for a higher attainment. What I found then was unexplainable events that made no sense to me of bad luck and failings.
When seperate This part of me was always around and never happy or pleasant. Then one day while laying down, relaxing very deeply It came up to me on my right side. And so familiar was its presence and impression on me of hurt that I apologised almost instantly, and embraced. Though right before this a caution I felt That i needed to take, which was not to let it off its chain so to speak. ( I will post in the poets corner what I wrote about this. )
So it would seem to be that we have several doubles or an opposite to each attribute of us within and the goal being that the higher self eventually rule over them.
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Post by fjrogers on Feb 27, 2017 17:25:53 GMT 9.5
> drew his attention to the dark shape and suggested that it was part of him and he should love it.
The dark shape merged with him and he felt warm energy tinglings in his body and felt much better.
> It seemed to me that his unintegrated parts were communicating as best they could that they wanted to come home.
I've read of a few people having experiences like this.
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Post by paul on Sept 13, 2018 8:52:03 GMT 9.5
I was in a group last week and each of us was asked to name a glamour with which we had difficulty. Glamour refers to an emotional state where we believe that we are something that we are not. www.lucistrust.org/online_books/glamour_world_problem/section_one_the_nature_glamour_part1I was not too sure what to say but the concept popped into my head that: I am too attached to being human.And I rather think that is true. So are there any suggestion as to what to do about it?
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Post by sammy on Sept 14, 2018 3:20:31 GMT 9.5
I was in a group last week and each of us was asked to name a glamour with which we had difficulty. Glamour refers to an emotional state where we believe that we are something that we are not. www.lucistrust.org/online_books/glamour_world_problem/section_one_the_nature_glamour_part1I was not too sure what to say but the concept popped into my head that: I am too attached to being human.And I rather think that is true. So are there any suggestion as to what to do about it? I would think similar things to the diamond sutra.
You have to clean your slate to get a fresh perspective. It is not easy to tune out every preprogrammed urge and response though. It takes a lot of time/patience/understanding.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Oct 1, 2018 1:07:08 GMT 9.5
I must begin my comment by saying I am unschooled and unmentored in the esoteric arts. In this state of darkness I have struggled long and hard to answer the questions; "What is Spirit?", and "What is Soul". The best understanding I have been able to conceive is that Spirit is the active, doing, thinking, planning, analyzing, imagining part of my self; and Soul is the receptive, created, remembering, reacting, storehouse of all that I have known, seen, or been. To me it seems that Spirit bears a resemblance to the conscious mind while Soul bears a resemblance to the unconscious mind.
To use a popular pop psychology reference: To me it seems your Spirit packs your baggage and your Soul carries it. However, at least in my own case, it seems that the conduit between these two allows one to shape the other. For me this conduit seems to be made of feelings or emotions. One area of the Esoteric Arts that is of interest to me is learning to call upon that which is good in my Spirit to strengthen that which is good in my Soul, and calling upon that which is good in my Soul to strengthen that which is good in Spirit. Likewise; to rid myself of that which is unwanted or unsuitable in each.
P.S. I loved this definition: "Glamour refers to an emotional state where we believe that we are something that we are not."
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Post by paul on Oct 1, 2018 5:54:00 GMT 9.5
> call upon that which is good in my Spirit to strengthen that which is good in my Soul
That is a fair statement - although I have not perceived any part of Spirit to be bad. Of course the personality has its own priorities that may often be contrary to the intent of Spirit.
>calling upon that which is good in my Soul to strengthen that which is good in Spirit
It is perhaps more accurate to say that the Soul may invoke a greater flow of Spirit.
Recently I have begun to observe the different sources of Spirit in various "humans". Some make their connection to Spirit outside the galaxy while most connect through the Sun of our solar system.
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Post by sammy on Oct 1, 2018 8:42:42 GMT 9.5
I must begin my comment by saying I am unschooled and unmentored in the esoteric arts. In this state of darkness I have struggled long and hard to answer the questions; "What is Spirit?", and "What is Soul". The best understanding I have been able to conceive is that Spirit is the active, doing, thinking, planning, analyzing, imagining part of my self; and Soul is the receptive, created, remembering, reacting, storehouse of all that I have known, seen, or been. To me it seems that Spirit bears a resemblance to the conscious mind while Soul bears a resemblance to the unconscious mind. To use a popular pop psychology reference: To me it seems your Spirit packs your baggage and your Soul carries it. However, at least in my own case, it seems that the conduit between these two allows one to shape the other. For me this conduit seems to be made of feelings or emotions. One area of the Esoteric Arts that is of interest to me is learning to call upon that which is good in my Spirit to strengthen that which is good in my Soul, and calling upon that which is good in my Soul to strengthen that which is good in Spirit. Likewise; to rid myself of that which is unwanted or unsuitable in each. P.S. I loved this definition: "Glamour refers to an emotional state where we believe that we are something that we are not." Well put!
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Post by sammy on Oct 14, 2018 22:16:50 GMT 9.5
> lol > P.S. I loved this definition: "Glamour refers to an emotional state where we believe that we are something that we are not." U seem like one of the I AM's favorite students & probably not one that mite get a whole bunch killer or required of evolution cause of The had to PERSONALLY Learn by mistake of im staying clear of such really cool story from a church vistin minister said this I Don't Gotta Learn every lesson personally B4 I Can comprehend it Fella went on to clarify that I don't need to Have a chain saw cur off my arm to know Be careful with those things & he said I will Take UR word for it & trust the fact of the safety manual & the please be avoiding such as DONT Personally need to be told twice & the Daily need to be told Sharp blade there ect ect ect & the please don't leave ur body parts in the forest HAHA your awesome fox.
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