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Post by elijah on Sept 8, 2015 9:52:50 GMT 9.5
> It is perhaps worth noting that the genuine MM having established internal control of the mental plane and hence the soul body, increasingly does not need the soul body as an intermediary with Spirit and progressively the soul body is dispersed and discarded.
Paul is the ability to be consciously aware of thoughts and action during the dream-state a sign one is gaining control over the mental plane and soul body?
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Post by paul on Sept 8, 2015 11:11:02 GMT 9.5
> is the ability to be consciously aware of thoughts and action during the dream-state a sign one is gaining control over the mental plane and soul body?
Being able to self-observe is a sure test of increasing control - of emotions and thoughts.
Control is established in the lower sub-planes first. As the soul body is formed from the higher mental sub-planes its control takes quite a lot longer, particularly if this is the first life that control has been attempted.
It is perhaps worth pointing out that the presence of unresolved trauma generates apparently contrary experiences.
For example, while a genuine first degree initiate has control of physical desires and therefore control of the physical body, there may still be instances when the physical body is not easily directed.
It is common for those that suffered in the Holy Inquisition to have trouble sleeping in the presence of a ticking clock and to have trouble with moving escalators. Veterans of jungle warfare also have trouble with ticking clocks.
Equally the presence of unresolved emotional and mental trauma will disturb the smooth control by the initiate of those bodies.
There is also the issue of uncontrolled resonance from higher to lower sub-planes. For example a junior initiate learning to control 5.3 (lowest part of the soul body) may find that uncontrolled fluctuations in the substance of 5.3 generate resonances in 6.3 (middle level emotional) resulting in intense experience of emotions that were thought to be already under control.
Thus the uncontrolled resonance drives the acquisition of more skillful control in the lower body.
A common form of this in the mental plane is when presenting a charge in lodge and the simplest words are lost from the mind. Thus the brother's mind, exposed to the higher frequency energies in the lodge, is more difficult to control than usual. Hence giving charges is not only about memorizing it is also about mind control in a high energy situation. (Assuming of course that the lodge does generate/attract such an energy field)
A very common example of resonance is where an over-active (uncontrolled) mind makes it is hard for the physical body to relax. This, for example, may occur through uncontrolled activity in 5.7 (lowest mental) resonating with the 7.1, 7.3 and 7.5 sub-planes of the physical.
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Post by pointwithinacircle on Sept 8, 2015 15:30:31 GMT 9.5
the answer seems pretty clear in my observation: not all humans have souls I will not be able to participate in this conversation because I do not have a definition of a soul that would allow this to be possible.
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Post by paul on Sept 8, 2015 17:33:25 GMT 9.5
I will not be able to participate in this conversation because I do not have a definition of a soul that would allow this to be possible. A simple way of looking for a soul is looking for a pleasing light-energy around the top of the head. Even if not seen it can be felt. The soul-less have a very obvious absence of that pleasing light-energy. It is a obvious gap.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 18:47:36 GMT 9.5
> It is perhaps worth noting that the genuine MM having established internal control of the mental plane and hence the soul body, increasingly does not need the soul body as an intermediary with Spirit and progressively the soul body is dispersed and discarded. Eventually the true initiate radiates Spirit directly, thus: When you have seen me, you have seen the Father for He lives in me and I in Him.
It's very interesting what is born when the soul container is no longer necessary.
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Post by paul on Sept 8, 2015 20:13:04 GMT 9.5
>what is born when the soul container is no longer necessary.
Not so much born, but rather, manifested.
It is said that the human persona, while it uses the lower subplane material (of the physical, emotional and mental) is not able to cope with or cohere under the impulse of rather high frequency energies. Accordingly an intermediary is constructed comprising a soul body that is activated by a soular/solar intelligence.
Over many lives the human learns to discard the dense subplane matter in the personality so that only atomic matter remains (7.1, 6.1 and 5.1). As that is progressively achieved the higher energies can play directly into the persona without destroying it.
I recall a friend who told me that he was having a shower one day and a very strong higher energy came into him. He said that it became so strong he thought it would kill him. So he shouted out: Knock it off, guys! And they did.
The nearest higher energies built into the human spiritual structure may be called Buddhic, Atmic and Monadic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 21:10:28 GMT 9.5
> Not so much born, but rather, manifested.
I think 'born' is an appropriate representation as well
Edit.. (- is) (+ can be) /Edit
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Post by fjrogers on Sept 11, 2015 10:08:53 GMT 9.5
I think we still have a lot more to learn about the soul and the other subtle bodies which bring about manifestation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 2:45:19 GMT 9.5
> Translated, transformed ... last trump... This sort of trump?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 3:12:14 GMT 9.5
> I will not be able to participate in this conversation because I do not have a definition of a soul that would allow this to be possible.
Are you hoping for more philosophical rigor pwac? Would you like to guide us in how we might start the process of a definition?
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Post by paul on Sept 12, 2015 5:55:01 GMT 9.5
>Are you hoping for more philosophical rigor pwac? Would you like to guide us in how we might start the process of a definition?
I was hoping to encourage some day-to-day observation of humans trying to detect which had obvious soul energy and which obviously had none.
In my view that observation is quite simple, particularly when seeing a human with a strong soul next to one without a soul.
Having learned to detect no-soul examples, one might then move to a more technical analysis, assuming of course that one had the relevant skills.
So the first step could be to look at one's fellow travelers on the bus, train, footpath etc, looking for examples of those with a distinct absence of energy around the head. And having found some examples, look at them more carefully using different levels of consciousness to identify more accurately the sort of energy that is missing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 7:29:38 GMT 9.5
>Are you hoping for more philosophical rigor pwac? Would you like to guide us in how we might start the process of a definition? I was hoping to encourage some day-to-day observation of humans trying to detect which had obvious soul energy and which obviously had none. In my view that observation is quite simple, particularly when seeing a human with a strong soul next to one without a soul. Having learned to detect no-soul examples, one might then move to a more technical analysis, assuming of course that one had the relevant skills. So the first step could be to look at one's fellow travelers on the bus, train, footpath etc, looking for examples of those with a distinct absence of energy around the head. And having found some examples, look at them more carefully using different levels of consciousness to identify more accurately the sort of energy that is missing. I will try this
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Post by fjrogers on Sept 13, 2015 13:25:30 GMT 9.5
Those two images at the bottom of the post above remind me of a great painting I've seen before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 3:27:50 GMT 9.5
> I will try this
My first attempt was not very scientific, I couldn't see anything, but sensed it. Varying amounts of 'pressure', and quality. One had high outward pressure from the area above the head, most had a more moderate energy present there. I noticed varying degrees of pleasing or unpleasing energies. One was disturbing, possibly inverted, interestingly he seemed to observe my presence without looking at me.
One thought I have is that these energies might be energy outflow from within the soul and not the soul itself, but this is all new to me and I am cautious of jumping to conclusions.
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Post by paul on Sept 14, 2015 5:28:34 GMT 9.5
>I couldn't see anything, but sensed it.
Of the inner senses, touch is often the first developed.
>Varying amounts of 'pressure', and quality. One had high outward pressure from the area above the head, most had a more moderate energy present there.
A good start. With more observations, patterns start to emerge and from them we may establish hypotheses and think of ways of testing them
>One was disturbing, possibly inverted, interestingly he seemed to observe my presence without looking at me.
There may be an adverse intelligence present. As with animals, it may be better to observe obliquely in order to attract less attention.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 6:17:20 GMT 9.5
> There may be an adverse intelligence present. As with animals, it may be better to observe obliquely in order to attract less attention.
I think that's a good idea
> One had high outward pressure from the area above the head, most had a more moderate energy present there.
I forgot to say that at least one felt vacuous
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Post by paul on Sept 14, 2015 7:28:19 GMT 9.5
> One had high outward pressure from the area above the head, most had a more moderate energy present there. I forgot to say that at least one felt vacuous You are starting to detect the relevant qualities
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 18:57:51 GMT 9.5
> Like Squirrels normally halt and stare and desire to sho / play the visual attention game of look and dont look
lol, yeah what's that about?
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Post by paul on Sept 23, 2015 7:25:52 GMT 9.5
Is the possession of/by a soul just a matter of faith with no hope of proof?
Are dementia cases examples of no soul?
If the soul can leave before physical death, can the soul arrive later than physical birth?
What symptoms might we see?
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Post by paul on Feb 8, 2017 7:12:25 GMT 9.5
If the soul can leave before physical death, can the soul arrive later than physical birth?
What symptoms might we see?
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