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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2014 9:08:40 GMT 9.5
Given that Masonry is veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbol, to what might the symbol of 24 inch gauge really be referring?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 20:35:56 GMT 9.5
Churchward:
Our 24-inch gauge is the old cubit of the ancient Egyptians. It is the ideographic hieroglyphic, and has the phonetic value of Maat, and indicated, primarily, " that which is straight," and was the name given to the instrument by which the work of the " Craftsmen " was kept straight and 24-inch gauge is the old cubit of the ancient Egyptians. It is the ideographic hieroglyphic, and has the phonetic value of Maat, and indicated, primarily, " that which is straight," and was the name given to the instrument by which the work of the " Craftsmen " was kept straight and measured;
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Post by sammy on Mar 16, 2014 22:29:25 GMT 9.5
So a length of measurement that also was a length of year. Isnt the 12 month system somewhat flawed though, when compared to the actual rotating and orbit? I remember something about the mayan calendar being more accurate.
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Post by crossbow on Mar 16, 2014 23:10:13 GMT 9.5
Given that Masonry is veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbol, to what might the symbol of 24 inch gauge really be referring?
From what system of masonry comes the above quote?
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Post by sammy on Mar 17, 2014 0:57:00 GMT 9.5
Given that Masonry is veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbol, to what might the symbol of 24 inch gauge really be referring?
From what system of masonry comes the above quote?
Not being a member and going off of what I have seen in masonry, I would say the statement applies regardless of reference. Secrecy in any means would demand such methods.
A better question would be:
Does the tool demand a shape, or does the shape demand a tool?
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Post by sammy on Mar 17, 2014 1:01:52 GMT 9.5
A example would be like...
I reached the top of the ladder.
To most ears this would imply I was simply climbing up a ladder and reached the top.
To a learned mason, this would have an entirely different meaning and experience involved.
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Post by sammy on Mar 17, 2014 1:44:37 GMT 9.5
Churchward: Our 24-inch gauge is the old cubit of the ancient Egyptians. It is the ideographic hieroglyphic, and has the phonetic value of Maat, and indicated, primarily, " that which is straight," and was the name given to the instrument by which the work of the " Craftsmen " was kept straight and 24-inch gauge is the old cubit of the ancient Egyptians. It is the ideographic hieroglyphic, and has the phonetic value of Maat, and indicated, primarily, " that which is straight," and was the name given to the instrument by which the work of the " Craftsmen " was kept straight and measured; Is it possible they were marking the time zones on the globe? They could have tracked the suns movements on a sphere, then deduced the time from spot to spot. |
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Post by sammy on Mar 17, 2014 1:56:29 GMT 9.5
They might have been off on their estimation, and the reason for beads and other artifacts. Showing a full life as one day around the shape.
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Post by paul on Mar 17, 2014 7:20:25 GMT 9.5
Churchward: Our 24-inch gauge is the old cubit of the ancient Egyptians. It is the ideographic hieroglyphic, and has the phonetic value of Maat, and indicated, primarily, " that which is straight," and was the name given to the instrument by which the work of the " Craftsmen " was kept straight and 24-inch gauge is the old cubit of the ancient Egyptians. It is the ideographic hieroglyphic, and has the phonetic value of Maat, and indicated, primarily, " that which is straight," and was the name given to the instrument by which the work of the " Craftsmen " was kept straight and measured; This is a good answer. The Egyptian hieroglyphs were not properly translated until 1820. Was the 24 inch gauge a working tool before that date? Would that mean that there was a hidden stream of Egyptian knowledge that was available to some Masons? |
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Post by paul on Mar 17, 2014 7:22:42 GMT 9.5
From what system of masonry comes the above quote? That would probably be from the Adyar ritual of the Le Droit Humaine. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2014 22:05:24 GMT 9.5
> Would that mean that there was a hidden stream of Egyptian knowledge that was available to some Masons? I believe that Churchward provides a convincing exposition that Egyptian esoteric knowledge has influenced masonry, but according to him it goes back much further than that. Signs and Symbols |
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Post by crossbow on Mar 17, 2014 22:38:59 GMT 9.5
From what system of masonry comes the above quote? That would probably be from the Adyar ritual of the Le Droit Humaine. Thanks Paul.
The male craft one is different. Its about work/effort and energising/refreshing, with connection to God in one direction, and service to others in the other, so its about flow-through, as with much of masonry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 1:19:34 GMT 9.5
The male craft one is different. Its about work/effort and energising/refreshing, with connection to God in one direction, and service to others in the other, so its about flow-through, as with much of masonry.
Does this also allude to the double headed eagle and the nature of man, with spiritual vision of the eagle head looking to the east, and the material vision of the head looking west? |
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Post by paul on Mar 18, 2014 7:18:32 GMT 9.5
They could have tracked the suns movements on a sphere, then deduced the time from spot to spot. This is dealt with in Civilization One www.amazon.com/Civilization-One-The-World-Thought/dp/1907486097Brother Chris Knight demonstrates that the furnishings of a Scottish lodge are sufficient to establish accurate systems of measurement for time, volume and weight. |
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Post by crossbow on Mar 18, 2014 10:53:29 GMT 9.5
The male craft one is different. Its about work/effort and energising/refreshing, with connection to God in one direction, and service to others in the other, so its about flow-through, as with much of masonry.
Does this also allude to the double headed eagle and the nature of man, with spiritual vision of the eagle head looking to the east, and the material vision of the head looking west? The individual may see such a correlation, with differences of height and medium. However, I should not discuss the eagle. And as far as I recall there is nothing in the first degree to do with the eagle.
Certainly one of freemasonry's core teachings is to teach a man how to look within and upward to God, and at the same time focus outward to others through charity, and that the effort/work/pivot/centre from which he does this is in himself. The three divisions of the day associated with the 24 inch gauge teach this and introduce the entered apprentice to this essential concept; and the gavel and chisel, by their teaching about conscience internal and application external, and of flow-through of force, reinforce the teaching of the gauge by emphasising the opposing directions of the spectrum (the gauge / the soul), demonstrating which way the force flows (from within outward), and provide clearer specifics of how the parts of our self are utilised and expressed in life.
However, in male craft freemasonry it is generally realised as crucial for the correct functioning of freemasonry and for its maximum individual and collective benefit, that every freemason's journey is and be his own; therefore in lodge and amongst masons generally, no symbolic interpretations are discussed beyond their mundane and fundamental meanings, and it is understood that access to the esoteric is individually acquired and accessed through the fundamental. |
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Post by sammy on Mar 18, 2014 12:04:49 GMT 9.5
They could have tracked the suns movements on a sphere, then deduced the time from spot to spot. This is dealt with in Civilization One www.amazon.com/Civilization-One-The-World-Thought/dp/1907486097Brother Chris Knight demonstrates that the furnishings of a Scottish lodge are sufficient to establish accurate systems of measurement for time, volume and weight.
Oh cool thanks for the reference!
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Post by LorrB on Mar 18, 2014 12:32:52 GMT 9.5
Every freemason's journey is and be his own ... I agree with that, 100%
Freemason's start at the very beginning .. ?? Some do, some don't, in my experience. I have come across some EA's that know more than the Master (and even me - LOL)
-> no symbolic interpretations are discussed beyond their mundane and fundamental meanings
Freemasonry describes itself as a beautiful and peculiar system of morality, veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols, Are they just words to be ignored? Maybe Symbol and Allegory are Key words .. ? Clues to that for which mason's seek?
Maybe they are not spoken of generally because of this simple oversight or ignorance of there being more to Life than meets the eye.
Go West young man ... (those words just popped into my head. Are you from the USA? )
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Post by paul on Mar 19, 2014 7:24:40 GMT 9.5
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Post by crossbow on Mar 20, 2014 22:49:59 GMT 9.5
... Maybe they are not spoken of generally because of this simple oversight or ignorance of there being more to Life than meets the eye. So you say about us.
It is common for co-masons to assert and infer that they have esoteric understanding and male craft freemasons are ignorant or lacking in esoteric understanding.
So tell me why a male craft freemason should remain in your company on this co-masonic esoteric forum? |
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Post by paul on Mar 21, 2014 5:57:18 GMT 9.5
>It is common for co-masons to assert and infer that they have esoteric understanding and male craft freemasons are ignorant or lacking in esoteric understanding.
I doubt that anyone here has said that. Brethren such as Churchward and Ward are greatly valued.
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