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Post by paul on Jul 12, 2011 20:01:57 GMT 9.5
The Eagle appears in Masonry as double-headed. Here however Leonardo demonstrates some other features of that particular Eagle  Note that the compass points to the heart of the Eagle and that the wolf is dependent upon the compass and does not apparently notice the Eagle. Note also that the "crown" is above the head of the Eagle and that the Eagle is bigger than the Earth. What then is represented by the crowned Eagle? |
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Post by mgc on Jul 12, 2011 20:57:20 GMT 9.5
im guessing the north pole or earth axis.. that cow wants to watch its heading btw, the ship is about to run aground..
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Post by Henka on Jul 12, 2011 21:54:51 GMT 9.5
The eagle depicted in the illustration is not double headed, so I don't know why you are comparing it to the AASR symbol.
Note the tree in the boat - this, coupled with the position of the eagle on the globe, indicates that represents the axis mundi, the world tree.
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2011 5:37:05 GMT 9.5
The eagle depicted in the illustration is not double headed, so I don't know why you are comparing it to the AASR symbol... Perhaps the Eagle in question has many characteristics, not all of which are expressed in every image. |
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Post by Henka on Jul 13, 2011 7:28:59 GMT 9.5
The eagle depicted in the illustration is not double headed, so I don't know why you are comparing it to the AASR symbol... Perhaps the Eagle in question has many characteristics, not all of which are expressed in every image. Different eagle. |
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2011 7:57:47 GMT 9.5
Interesting assertion. How would we test that?
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Post by LorrB on Jul 13, 2011 10:18:01 GMT 9.5
This image shows two of the four Living creatures in Ezekiel, having the likeness of Man, the Lion, the Ox or Bull, and the Eagle. That should give us a clue as to its interpretation. (The four Living creatures are also the Four Fixed Signs of the zodiac which are positioned in the 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th houses = 26, the value of IHVH, the Tetragrammaton.) In Revelations, there are the four evangelists Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are depicted in similar manner. John the Evangelist is depicted as the eagle, which sometimes holds in its beak a banner with the words “In the beginning ...” Because it soars upward, the eagle is a symbol of the resurrection or ascension of Christ. A crowned eagle above the earth would emphasise this ascension. Jesus was referred to as Jesus, the Christ, after the baptism by John the Baptist, I believe. The two St John’s of Freemasonry (and maybe one explanation for the double headed eagle) ? Leonardo might be trying to tell us that John is Christed, Perfected and Ascended. Re the bull and the ark…. The legend of Noah’s Flood begins in Aquarius during the astrological age of Taurus. Noah, ark (containing the seed atoms of humanity according to the Sufis) animal nature, sprouting tree of life – and all heading towards ascension – wonderful image! Love the connection between the compass and the heart. www.religionfacts.com/christianity/images/symbols/lambs-sheep/AgnusDeiand4Evangelists9thCGerorNItalianMet_small.jpgts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1032098230378&id=a5c7591973a52e3307b1ae94695b343e&url=http%3a%2f%2fcatholic-resources.org%2fPhotos%2fItaly99%2fRavenna-23.jpg |
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Post by Henka on Jul 13, 2011 10:38:52 GMT 9.5
As I said, it is the Axis Mundi. Lorr, look at the animal more closely. It is neither Man, Bull nor Lion. The "ray" is emanating from the Eagle to the compass needle, pointing it towards magnetic North, which at the time was indistinguishable from true North. It may, indeed, be a metaphoric representation for ascension, albeit not necessarily in the Christian sense.
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2011 11:43:54 GMT 9.5
"After death, the soul flies into the afterlife only to be eaten by a giant eagle spirit; however sorcerers can fly past this creature."
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Post by LorrB on Jul 13, 2011 12:53:25 GMT 9.5
As I said, it is the Axis Mundi. Lorr, look at the animal more closely. It is neither Man, Bull nor Lion. The "ray" is emanating from the Eagle to the compass needle, pointing it towards magnetic North, which at the time was indistinguishable from true North. It may, indeed, be a metaphoric representation for ascension, albeit not necessarily in the Christian sense. So if the navigator is a composite of the three, then we need to look for the difference between Matthew, Mark, Luke (the three) and John, who is different. John is portrayed as an eagle because he is “caught up in the spirit” or has “spiritually soared, and his stories in the New Testament reveal more than those of the other three. Their accounts were on mundane matters on the whole, the day to day stuff. Astrologically, what makes three signs the same and one different? Ascension covers the whole gamut so far as I am concerned. I don't restrict it to the Christian idea of it. The Eagle - Experiencing The Fullness Of Life
Among virtually all of the many Native American Indian tribes, the feathers of the majestic eagle are considered to be among the most sacred of all healing tools. It's said that the eagle represents a state of grace achieved through hard work,
As a living and powerful archetypal symbol of Scorpio, the eagle is a vivid reminder for Scorpio to take heart and gather courage in their fierce battle of personal fears. The image of the eagle teaches Scorpio to broaden their personal sense of self, and the eagle encourages Scorpio to go beyond the limited horizon of what is visible from the ground.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 13, 2011 13:02:48 GMT 9.5
I did read that the Eagle is an ancient form of Ophiuchus (the serpent holder). Some say that this is the thirteenth sign of the zodiac. Rather like Jesus and the twelve disciples.
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2011 13:10:54 GMT 9.5
If the Mexican sorcerers experience the Eagle after death, then the Eagle may not be confined to Christianity.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 13, 2011 15:11:32 GMT 9.5
Sorry... not meaning to make things sound Christian... its just the theosophical system I am most familiar with. I know what you mean. I have have had to face a Cobra (daunting), thankfully, it seems to be cats that hang around me now. Except for last night -dream state - I had a small pig/wombat (?) type animal, furry, who would not leave my side. Weaving in and out of my legs as I walked, would run ahead a little and then come back to make sure I was still following. Grew quite fond of him  |
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2011 15:22:07 GMT 9.5
>Grew quite fond of him
Just as well. Animals like that in dreams are almost always entities that are part of the human ecology.
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Post by paul on Jul 13, 2011 15:26:05 GMT 9.5
>not meaning to make things sound Christian... its just the theosophical system I am most familiar with
A lot of the Christian system appears to me rather contrived and theological presentations of inherited knowledge. I rarely find it a useful map when exploring the inner worlds.
Leonardo, however, has much to offer, along with Blake.
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Post by cwhite on Aug 29, 2011 3:32:18 GMT 9.5
Kinda reminds me of the Tablet of the Holy Mariner....
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Post by paul on Aug 29, 2011 5:59:52 GMT 9.5
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Post by cwhite on Dec 24, 2011 3:10:58 GMT 9.5
Notice how the mast of the ship seems fixed to the tree? The mast of the ship intersects with 3 branches on the tree, which represents Orions belt. The dog is Canis Majoris. The compass with a star in it is the dogs star, Sirius. If you draw a line from Sirius, parallel with Orions belt, it should lead you to the heart of this crowned eagle who seems to be "on top of the world"... |
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Post by paul on Dec 24, 2011 6:21:06 GMT 9.5
I wonder why Sirius would need a compass to find the Eagle above the Earth
The Eagle seems to be the focus of the image but the presence of the crown tells us that something even more profound is out of scene.
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Post by paul on Sept 30, 2013 9:24:52 GMT 9.5
The boat is sailing towards the Earth - meaning that the boat is perhaps out in the Cosmos.
Are there connections with Royal Ark Mariners?
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