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Post by paul on Oct 17, 2013 17:56:29 GMT 9.5
A ribbon of blue appears in Masonic ritual but is given no interpretation.
Why is it included so prominently, equal to the square and compasses?
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 18, 2013 4:58:20 GMT 9.5
A ribbon of blue appears in Masonic ritual but is given no interpretation. Why is it included so prominently, equal to the square and compasses? As a complete guess perhaps it represents the "glue" the energy that the masonic world can, though I think very few actually, tap into. Those of you who can visualise energy flows in lodge might in some lodges see it coming from above in front of the Master, and slightly off-centre towards the officer who sits to his left at a right angle (I forget which officer that is - SW?). Those of you who can feel it in open lodge are quite privileged. To me the mechanisms by which it flows are still sadly a bit dusty and still in need of some more spring cleaning. Mind you it has been pretty much dormant for so long. Stewart now listens out for those masons who have never experienced such things to think him nuttier than a nutter. Its a shame though for it would be nice if more masons had first hand experience of such things. Mind you it isn't that different from those sufficiently skilled in the spiritual side of the Martial Arts etc. Then again I could be making connections where none exist. Probably a good job that lodge rejected me a decade ago for had it been lying there I might have been tempted to try to connect it
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Post by paul on Oct 18, 2013 6:08:15 GMT 9.5
From what I have seen in lodge the flows are mostly not ribbon-like. There may be vertical flows that look like plumblines, floods from the East filling up the floor, lesser flows from the W,S and even N, reversing flows across the pavement, and some others.
So I am inclined to look to the context of ancient Freemasonry for an original.
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Post by LorrB on Oct 18, 2013 7:04:03 GMT 9.5
Found this little piece on 'Blue' ...
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Post by LorrB on Oct 18, 2013 8:14:12 GMT 9.5
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Post by LorrB on Oct 18, 2013 8:20:50 GMT 9.5
The male craft here in South Australia would probably assume anyone who believes the above to be nuts. Wonder if they have ever wondered about Lodge Sirius in Cummins and why it is named that. www.santfreemasons.org.au/event/lodge-sirius-5
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Post by paul on Oct 18, 2013 8:33:24 GMT 9.5
Here is Exodus 28 - Young's Literal Translation
"and they bind the breastplate by its rings unto the rings of the ephod with a ribbon of blue, "
This is the preparation of the priest-servants of the Lord.
It is the only reference I can find for the ribbon of blue being used to bind something.
Is this a suggestion of a particular identity for Hiram Abiff (literally: high born father)
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Post by LorrB on Oct 18, 2013 8:59:21 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Oct 18, 2013 9:26:40 GMT 9.5
>Is this a suggestion of a particular identity for Hiram Abiff (literally: high born father)
Hor (or Horus) equally means high born. And the father of Hor was Asar (Osiris) who was raised by Hor - the Lord of Life.
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Post by stepnwolf on Oct 27, 2013 2:34:48 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Oct 27, 2013 5:12:19 GMT 9.5
But it is still not clear why the blue appears as a ribbon. Is it a Jewish tradition, or is there something older being represented?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 19:51:36 GMT 9.5
>Is this a suggestion of a particular identity for Hiram Abiff (literally: high born father) Hor (or Horus) equally means high born. And the father of Hor was Asar (Osiris) who was raised by Hor - the Lord of Life. Churchward discusses the earth or house of Anup being completed by the square or base of Pyramid, at the four corners as the keepers are the Divine Powers. He then goes on to list different names given to them by civilisations around the world, one such list is from the people of Bavili, Bimi and Yorba in West Africa: 1) Ibara 2) Edi 3) Oyekun 4) Oz-be With the house name of Ifi, the Son of God. I found the last two names interesting, any thoughts anyone? pg 320 Churchward, Signs and Symbols of Primordial Man
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 20:23:11 GMT 9.5
From what I have seen in lodge the flows are mostly not ribbon-like. There may be vertical flows that look like plumblines, floods from the East filling up the floor, lesser flows from the W,S and even N, reversing flows across the pavement, and some others. This made me think of the Maypole 'dance'
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Post by paul on Jan 30, 2014 20:26:06 GMT 9.5
Persumably Anup is the same as Anubis. Here is Anubis purifying (baptising?) Osiris. Note that Anubis is a lot shorter than Osiris and that there is a strange structure to the right. The Great Pyramid with its original limestone casing probably reflected the sunlight for long distances - potentially being used as a navigation aid (see Sitchin). Here is a photo at the equinox showing the concave side of the pyramid - potentially useful, with suitable limestone casing, for directing the reflection at certain times. The Great Pyramid may have been known in former times as The House of Light and the brethren as the Sons of Light. There are occasional references to Masons being the Sons of Light. www.trademe.co.nz/books/nonfiction/religion-spirituality/christianity/auction-402148582.htm
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 20:46:17 GMT 9.5
Persumably Anup is the same as Anubis. Churchward: "The name 'Anup' is equally applied to Set and Horus", depicted as two jackals or two eyes. There are the twins of Light and Dark, the double Anubis. Anup is it seems the Sut-Anubis according to Massey. "Anup is the black jackal of the western land". Gerald Massey: The Natural Genesis. p and b being voiceless and voiced versions of essentially the same consonant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 1:32:31 GMT 9.5
Is the turquoise ribbon related to the blue ribbon? >Why is it included so prominently, equal to the square and compasses? Length and width of the ribbon often seems to be carefully defined, and we have the right angle of the triangle here also. "NOTE: – The phylacteries (from the Greek phulattein: to preserve, to keep) are the ribbons of moiré or silk of turquoise color, 10 to 12 cm wide, and at long as the futurediagonal of the Egyptian Triangle, which are intended to at the time of the drawing of the Pavement. One of them bears the sixteen essential hieroglyphs of Ancient Egypt, the second bears the sixteen equivalent demotic characters." "WM: – Madam, this ribbon, in the color of the Masonry of Egypt and of the very shade which symbolizes she who is called the “Lady of Turquoise”, the “Queen of the West”, that is ancient Isis;" See Figure 2 – Drawing the Pavement with the aid of the Egyptian Cord. pg 34. Freemasonry in Olden Times by Robert Ambelain.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 31, 2014 8:01:26 GMT 9.5
Thanks for that link... going to have a good read of it when I get some time.
I thought Hathor was the "Lady of Turquoise". Maybe they are interchangeable.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 31, 2014 8:05:47 GMT 9.5
Went looking and found this ...
and then found this ...
The things you learn ...
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Post by LorrB on Jan 31, 2014 9:44:07 GMT 9.5
Father Time, Mother Nature, etc. we do not believe these are real people so why do we assume that Isis, Hathor and the rest of the gods were persons? They may well have been, but I do like to explore other possibilities.
Hathor, Isis, Mother Mary dressed in Blue were all association with nurturing and development. Widows Sons ... are being nurtured and developed by the energies and forces of our earthly environment .. ? .. hence the blue ribbon which joins the above to below.
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2014 9:54:11 GMT 9.5
>hence the blue ribbon which joins the above to below.
But why a ribbon? It seems very insubstantial. What about an ocean or a sky of blue?
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