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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2013 9:14:14 GMT 9.5
>While there can be quite a lot of heart pain in working through the 4s,
One of the learnings is that if the traumatic event does not cause a pain in heart but only a pain in the solar plexus, then the event is not a real problem.
Heart pain occurs when something important goes wrong e.g. a long destined marriage fails or a life choice turns away from the soul group dharma.
If the emotions are hurt but not the heart, then the problem is relatively superficial.
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Post by paul on Mar 16, 2013 9:21:58 GMT 9.5
>... prepares the initiate for the 4th initiation. This involves renunciation of self interest and personal life.
This has for some initiates involved death, but more usually involves putting aside one's interests and preferences in order to serve the inner group to which the initiate belongs.
The same principle is seen at earlier stages too. I knew a woman who ran into difficulties with trauma in her personality and she was taken in hand by a friend with whom she had had absolutely no romantic inclination. Nevertheless he gave up his life-long female friend to marry this member of his soul group who was in serious difficulty. Years later I had occasion to point out to the 2 offspring that they should have more respect for their father given the great sacrifice he had made for them and their mother.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 20, 2013 7:07:13 GMT 9.5
... reminds me of 'god' and the burning bush story ...
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Post by paul on May 14, 2013 14:55:03 GMT 9.5
The steps to enlightenment are veiled in Masonry by the "mysterious ladder" that appears in various degrees. It is made clear in RC that faith, hope and charity are essential to bring the candidate to the foot of the ladder. Faith, hope and charity are a convenient and simplistic summary of the work of the Entered Apprentice who must smooth the rough ashlar.
Instructions about the ladder itself seem to be largely lost.
As a small step forwards, the more accurate naming used in this thread can be leveraged by intent. Thus with a number and an accurate name the junior initiate can start to access the states of being.
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Post by paul on Jul 14, 2013 9:19:17 GMT 9.5
>As a small step forwards, the more accurate naming used in this thread can be leveraged by intent. Thus with a number and an accurate name the junior initiate can start to access the states of being.
So who has tried this?
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Post by paul on Jul 28, 2013 8:40:09 GMT 9.5
I don't want to make this technique any clearer in a public forum so you have to work at it - and perhaps be helped by an inner sponsor as I was.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jul 28, 2013 15:18:53 GMT 9.5
Paul a very thought provoking thread. I am a bit tied up with personal issues at the moment so it has come at just the right time, Thank you.
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Post by paul on Dec 4, 2013 8:22:46 GMT 9.5
Instructions about the ladder itself seem to be largely lost. I suspect that the instructions were lost from Masonry when those four London lodges broke away to form their own Grand Lodge. From there, Masonry became publicity-conscious and attracted men who were not well educated in Greek or practiced in the underpinnings of Masonic Science such as the Qabalah. An example is ignorance of the identity of the Blazing Star, the phrase being a direct translation from the Greek.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2013 22:15:01 GMT 9.5
Each subplane has an associated primary challenge and hence an associated virtue. This is reflected in Masonry where we are told that the mystical ladder veiled by Jacob's Ladder has as many rungs as there are virtues. I believe that these challenges (extra rungs associated) can be represented by hidden cards in the Tarot deck. This reminds me of Paul Foster Case's Introduction to the Study of the Tarot page 11. Yod Heh vav Heh f. 0 1 2 3 3 4 5 6 6 7 8 9 9 10 11 12 12 13 14 15 15 16 17 18 18 19 20 21 The final Heh is a "Yod in germ". This gives us 7 levels in a manner of speaking, "The seven quaternaries thus formed are also related to the letters of the name. The first corresponds to Yod, the second to Heh, the third to Vau, and the fourth to the second Heh" The number XII is midway in the cycle which brings to mind
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Post by paul on Dec 29, 2013 5:14:02 GMT 9.5
Welcome Fibonaccimatrix
>I believe that these challenges (extra rungs associated) can be represented by hidden cards in the Tarot deck.
I am not familiar with any hidden cards in the Tarot. Are you able to explain or demonstrate any of them?
>This gives us 7 levels in a manner of speaking,
The numerical sequence from PFC is 7 sets of 4. The planes however divide into 7s indefinitely - to as many subsidiary levels as required by the experimental objective.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 5:45:10 GMT 9.5
Welcome Fibonaccimatrix >I believe that these challenges (extra rungs associated) can be represented by hidden cards in the Tarot deck. I am not familiar with any hidden cards in the Tarot. Are you able to explain or demonstrate any of them? Thanks paul, the hidden cards I speak of are part of my ongoing work which I am not ready to reveal yet. I share the information because I feel it is of value, I have not found it stated anywhere. What is your intuition on my statement? I recommend you ask this question of your 'self', there is nothing to lose from doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 5:58:57 GMT 9.5
>This gives us 7 levels in a manner of speaking, The numerical sequence from PFC is 7 sets of 4. The planes however divide into 7s indefinitely - to as many subsidiary levels as required by the experimental objective. I feel that for the complexity of existence as it is, many methods of subdividing reality are possible. How do you conceive of movement around and within each plane?
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Post by paul on Dec 29, 2013 6:27:49 GMT 9.5
>How do you conceive of movement around and within each plane?
Humans have light body functions and subsidiary intelligences operating on each plane. These functions and intelligences are often not within the range of consciousness - hence statements such as: I don't know why I did that!
A well practiced human can shift focus between planes or subplanes at will, and hold consciousness on several planes or subplanes at that same time. For example, a mother may emotionally attend to a young child while carrying on a rational conversation with an adult.
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Post by paul on Dec 29, 2013 6:32:06 GMT 9.5
>the hidden cards I speak of are part of my ongoing work which I am not ready to reveal yet. ...What is your intuition on my statement?
The Tarot cards contain layers of meaning, and some of those layers may well be secret, e.g. geometric layouts for particular types of reading.
There may be hidden or secret cards as well - secret Tarot decks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 6:37:10 GMT 9.5
>How do you conceive of movement around and within each plane? Humans have light body functions and subsidiary intelligences operating on each plane. These functions and intelligences are often not within the range of consciousness - hence statements such as: I don't know why I did that! A well practiced human can shift focus between planes or subplanes at will, and hold consciousness on several planes or subplanes at that same time. For example, a mother may emotionally attend to a young child while carrying on a rational conversation with an adult. That makes a lot of sense. Would you describe the being as a vessel within the planes?
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Post by paul on Dec 29, 2013 6:56:01 GMT 9.5
>Would you describe the being as a vessel within the planes?
The light body typically is not well integrated (not a unity) either across the octaves or across the functions. Thus the light body typically functions as a cluster of partially connected energy forms.
Light body substance, like all substance, has elemental intelligence and that intelligence is typically separated by the fragmentation of the light body.
The aggregations of elemental intelligence can attract higher entities - typically nature spirits that attempt to form the substance and associated elemental intelligence into functional forms - such as required for the operation of senses.
If these higher entities manage to produce a sufficient degree of coordination in the light body (getting the act together), then a yet higher entity may be attracted to stimulate the human persona - conventionally a solar angel (a soul).
Of course a wide range of other entities may also find uses for a partially coordinated human light body.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 8:16:49 GMT 9.5
>The light body typically is not well integrated (not a unity) either across the octaves or across the functions. Thus the light body typically functions as a cluster of partially connected energy forms. I need to really consider the light body information you give... deep. but in the meantime, do you not consider the quaternaries of PFC to be in the nature of octaves?
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Post by paul on Dec 29, 2013 8:32:12 GMT 9.5
>do you not consider the quaternaries of PFC to be in the nature of octaves?
An octave (8) is actually a series of 7 with the first and last being an octave apart.
Thus: Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So, La, Ti and again Do.
The test of an analytical scheme is whether it has operational usefulness. Have a read through this thread to see the application of a 7s system. Note the resonances that are typical of a reality-based analytical system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 21:16:59 GMT 9.5
> An octave (8) is actually a series of 7 with the first and last being an octave apart. Yes, I am familiar with the octave through Gurdjieff and later through Ouspensky's work, which in my opinion in recent times has been watered down by personality analysis using the Enneagram.
>The test of an analytical scheme is whether it has operational usefulness. Have a read through this thread to see the application of a 7s system. Note the resonances that are typical of a reality-based analytical system. I have read the entire thread, but I have to be honest, the application of stages of enlightenment in such a way as laid out in the purely planar model leaves me cold.
It is my experience that with right effort and diligence the planes are ascended without having to label or map them explicitly. Models are useful of course if one has the need or inclination to utilise them, or if formulated purely out of a desire to understand, to know, and there is the crux of the matter, as we all have our own areas of interest/experience/momentum in that regard, with varying degrees of overlap. Eventually, all overlaps anyway, but here we are now.
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Post by paul on Dec 30, 2013 6:46:09 GMT 9.5
>It is my experience that with right effort and diligence the planes are ascended without having to label or map them explicitly. Quite so, but is that an efficient process? The essence of science is being able to achieve large results from minimal effort. Thus metaphysicists seek means for accelerated inner development and efficient interventions. Some examples are given earlier in the thread. There are however few people interested in a scientific approach to the inner world and even fewer interested in learning to apply such an approach. Masonry traditionally has a Masonic Science (a science of morality) but few are interested in learning it. The Masonic science of morality necessarily is closely related to the practical Qabalah since they deal with the same reality. >the application of stages of enlightenment in such a way as laid out in the purely planar model leaves me cold. The system provides a map of human development - stages of controlling the Persona and applying the Spirit. Some people have found that being able to name their current challenges allows them to perceive more easily what is happening in their lives and to focus their intent upon what needs to happen next. Later on, when more skilled in the system, I found it useful to be able to measure the various entities I encountered. With information on the newcomers' octave, light-dark balance and species I was ready to interact with them from a position of some awareness of them and the potential implications of the situation. This is particularly useful in dealing with dark entities including human. This thread has some interest a406.proboards.com/thread/985/darkness-humans
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