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Post by paul on Feb 20, 2013 12:34:35 GMT 9.5
It may be worth reading the original post, visualising the scene and projecting into it.
That way it is possible to explore the flows and perhaps see some of the entities present.
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Post by stepnwolf on Feb 20, 2013 12:58:53 GMT 9.5
LorrB's comment (Priests use censors to cleanse the atmosphere of what" reminds me of the Botafumeiro (= smoke thrower) used in Santiago de Compostela Cathedral in Spain, which is the terminus of a week-long pilgrimage. The pilgrimage is on foot and without bathing. Botafumeiro weighs 80kg (= 176 lbs) and is about 1.60 m (=5 ft) tall. In use it consumes 40 kg (= 88 lbs) of charcoal and incense. The cost of using the Botafumeiro for one session is about 250€ (= $334). It takes several men to swing the pot over the waiting congregation below. Why? The stench of 1,000s of sweaty bodies must be overwhelming in the Cathedral and major means were taken to reduce the odor. In some rites of the Church the officiate says “Let my prayer be counted as incense before thee, and the lifting up of my hands as an evening sacrifice “” (Psalm 141: 2) Thus, incense is a symbol both of prayers rising before God and as a burnt offering. The affect on the congregation is mixed. Some folks are thrown into a coughing fit and may leave. Others are moved into a deeper communion with the Diety, possibly because of the solemnity of the rite. I cannot vouch for the affect of incense on the inner realms of reality.
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Post by paul on Feb 20, 2013 13:09:42 GMT 9.5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QFd_55El1IMakes my efforts look puny. Although one time I used 2 charcoal pieces and one of the brethren said the temple looked like we were in a bush fire. Different incenses affect different chakras and are related to different rays.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 20, 2013 13:40:44 GMT 9.5
It may be worth reading the original post, visualising the scene and projecting into it. That way it is possible to explore the flows and perhaps see some of the entities present. I did an "imperfect memory" version of this last night. Had trouble getting past the door to start with (probably the dinner wine:) ) - once in I could see the circular lodge, but there just seemed to be two points of light circulating within the perimeter, each going in opposite directions. One was gold, one a reddish colour I think ... that bit is a hazy memory now, but I am pretty sure they weren't both gold. Will try again later.
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Post by paul on Feb 20, 2013 13:48:16 GMT 9.5
> two points of light circulating within the perimeter, each going in opposite directions. One was gold, one a reddish colour I think
Good observation! Have a look to see if they are related to two of the elements.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 20, 2013 13:48:31 GMT 9.5
Censing I do well, and when done well it is almost like the censor carries you along with it - rather like conducting a beautiful piece of music. The conductor controls the musicians but then the music can take control of the conductor.
I have always understood that the censing drives away any negatives in the area. I believe the American Indians burn sage to clear their atmosphere of impurities of all kinds?
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Post by paul on Feb 22, 2013 9:26:01 GMT 9.5
>Will try again later.
Any news?
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Post by paul on Feb 22, 2013 9:27:33 GMT 9.5
>In the South is the officer representing the Nature Spirits of Earth and Water. The officer in the North (hidden entry to the higher temple) represents the nature spirits of Air and Fire.
Why that distribution of elements?
What and why the hidden entry to the higher temple?
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Post by paul on Feb 24, 2013 8:53:53 GMT 9.5
The distribution of elements relates not to the Sun and Earth but to the Earth and Stars - hence the air and fire in the North.
And that perhaps tells us of one of the higher temples - the nearest celestial rather than solar temple in the heavens.
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2013 7:55:21 GMT 9.5
The Senior Deacon is the messenger from the Temple in the Heavens (actually the lodge in the solar system) and has the role of "tuning" the brethren who are to anchor the 7 Spirits before the Throne of God ... When the human brethren consciously anchor the 7 Spirits before the throne of God (Revelation 1:4) the 7 Masons who make a lodge perfect are more likely to approach the human lodge. The local Temple in the Heavens actually has multiple deacons. They may sponsor the participation of particular humans and other entities. From what I have seen some of those Deacons are fish people - reflected in Masonry through Royal Ark Mariners - the Ark symbolising the Earth needing to be steered to meet its destiny. custodialsmackdown.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/the-fish-people-are-alive-and-among-us/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_piscine_and_amphibian_humanoidsThe fish people also appear in the Merovingian legend as the Quinotaur. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuinotaurThe name is quite revealing. The sea god has a trident because s/he wields 3 forces. Does the Quinotaur wield 5 forces? What are the implications for new Masonry?
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Post by LorrB on Feb 26, 2013 8:39:44 GMT 9.5
>Will try again later. Any news? Yes... managed to get myself into the Chair, representing the human race. From there I could 'see' that air and fire of the North (which for me represented consciousness and spirit) interacted with earth and water of the South (building block of physical matter .. spittal and dirt, our bodies are clay pots?) Using the East/West line for stability, the North and South side seesaw-ed. It popped into my mind that this was the meaning of the gold and rose coloured energy orbs which were whizzing around the perimeter of the circle going in opposite directions. SI typed the S above because this is how I perceived the direction of the energy flow - think of the beginning and end points of the S as N and S and the cross over bit as W and E. This reminded me of the 'manner of dressing' - which I had not thought of in that way previously.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 26, 2013 8:46:00 GMT 9.5
The S on The Tree ... just looked for some images and found these.
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Post by paul on Feb 26, 2013 8:47:14 GMT 9.5
>managed to get myself into the Chair
Well done!
> the North and South side seesaw-ed.
If you look at the N-S flows on the mosaic pavement you may well detect reversal of flows in the space of a few minutes.
> this was the meaning of the gold and rose coloured energy orbs
I agree
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Post by paul on Mar 2, 2013 19:42:24 GMT 9.5
.... The Junior Deacon has a similar role with respect to the Lords of Karma (Lords of the Planes) and following the SD will designate those brethren to facilitate the entry of the Lords of the Planes. ...... For the purposes of human degrees only 5 Lords/planes will be used. ..... The Lords of Karma provide direct access to the elementals of the planes and of course to the substances of the Temple in the Heavens. Only 5 Lords and planes are used in the human degrees - as reflected in the FPoF because of the essential 5 kingdom structure of the human.
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Post by paul on Mar 14, 2013 13:42:15 GMT 9.5
...the position of IPM is interesting as it is a stellar role and directly represents The Widow and her Lodge as custodians of the education processes of humans and related species. The IPM specifically is expected to obtain the patterns for the unfoldment of the group entity of the lodge and for the candidates in the lodge working in the human degrees..... This may explain the Scottish tradition of attaching Euclid's 47th proposition to the IPM - from two perspectives. One is that the sequence 3,4,5 appears in the relationship of the Earth to the nearest celestial object (the Moon). And the other is that Asar, Ast and Hor (Osiris, Isis and Horus) are represented by the 3,4,5 triangle. (The two perspectives may be the same). Anyway, the essential point is that the light from the stars contains the patterns for unfoldment of many beings including the brethren and it is the IPM's job to draw in and anchor those energies. I first came across the role of star light many years ago - at midnight one New Year's Eve on a cold Scottish hill when the skies cleared after the rain. The spirit of a tree was kindly keeping the wind off me and said to me that it had been doubly nourished - first by the rain and then by the star light. It explained the importance of star light for its proper unfoldment. The Widow Isis is associated with Sirius (brightest i.e. blazing star) and Sirius in the esoteric tradition is the home of the lodge on which Earthly lodges are patterned.
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Post by paul on Mar 20, 2013 15:27:30 GMT 9.5
These patterns are transferred to the candidate as the Master magnetises the candidate with the Master's rod. This parallels the use of a sword in initiation in Co-Masonic workings. The transmission of light is at the core of initiatory science. Recently I was at an initiation (as JD) where the Master, having administered the obligation, instinctively felt the lack of a sword or rod and reached out placing his right hand upon the obligated candidates right shoulder. This action facilitated the transmission of light from the Master to the candidate. In practice such transmission is not yet nearly as common as it should be.
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Post by paul on Apr 1, 2013 11:52:04 GMT 9.5
The basic work of the lodge working in the human degrees is to raise the brethren (male and female) to a consciousness of and a competence in a series of five-fold relationships. The first of these is elemental, the second is brotherhood of kingdoms within creation, and the third is the brotherhood within the solar systemic temple. This is unfolds the current use of the Five Points of Fellowship. Regrettably mainstream Masonry, having lost contact with the holders of the genuine secrets, is largely unconscious of the above tasks. A good start for those interested is gardening done with an intent to cooperate with nature and a contemplative mode of activity.
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Post by paul on Apr 12, 2013 8:25:52 GMT 9.5
The sevenfold geometry helps establish resonances with nearby temples in the heavens.
Other geometries relate to particular kingdoms - as reflected in the LDH use of the elements.
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Post by LorrB on Apr 12, 2013 9:44:12 GMT 9.5
... why am I thinking and that our threads are more closely related to each other than would meet the casual peruser
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Post by paul on Apr 13, 2013 6:48:35 GMT 9.5
> I am not by human comprehension a Mason!
If Masonry is fundamentally not a human institution then that is not a problem.
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