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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2013 18:36:02 GMT 9.5
.... 2. Around 1717 the ritual was rudimentary - Just 2 degree and before that just one, which simply consisted of communicating the word. 3. In the 1720's the mysteries were introduced to Freemasonry. ... This is one of my favourite subjects. So - who introduced the mysteries to Freemasonry - by what authority? - from where? - what are those mysteries that were introduced?
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Post by Desaguliers on Jan 31, 2013 18:38:16 GMT 9.5
If it is one of your favourite subjects then lead off with what you know.
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Post by paul on Jan 31, 2013 18:49:13 GMT 9.5
>In the 1720's the mysteries were introduced to Freemasonry.
I find this a curious statement. I am most interested in the thinking behind it.
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Post by Desaguliers on Jan 31, 2013 19:02:50 GMT 9.5
Is that all you know about what you say is one of your favourite subjects?
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Post by LorrB on Feb 1, 2013 7:26:45 GMT 9.5
I daresay he hopes to discover more. I am interested in this subject also. Care to share what you know? In the meantime I might put my Google hat on and see what I can find.
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Post by Favourite on Feb 1, 2013 10:13:21 GMT 9.5
Paul says this is one of his favourite subjects so I await his input.
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Post by paul on Feb 1, 2013 10:21:06 GMT 9.5
I think the well is not so full.
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Post by favourite on Feb 1, 2013 10:37:17 GMT 9.5
How can you know nothing about one of your favourite subjects?
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Post by paul on Feb 1, 2013 10:54:15 GMT 9.5
Oh where is my mirror?
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Post by Favourite on Feb 1, 2013 11:45:24 GMT 9.5
When it is you being pressed for information it seems different standards apply as to when you are pressing others.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 1, 2013 11:51:00 GMT 9.5
1720's ... The Matthew Cooke Manuscript
The Matthew Cooke Manuscript is the oldest of a class of about one hundred early documents known as Freemasonry's Gothic Constitutions, and the second oldest known manuscript in Masonic history.[5] Typically, the Gothic Constitutions included an invocation, a mythical legend of ancient Masonry, a list of charges and regulations for Masons, and an oath or obligation.[6]
The manuscript was published by R. Spencer, London, in 1861 and it was edited by Mr. Matthew Cooke—hence the name. In the British Museum's catalogue it is listed as "Additional M.S. 23,198", and has been dated by William James Hughan (1841–1911) at 1450 or thereabouts, an estimate in which most of the specialists have concurred.
Dr. Wilhelm Begemann (1843–1914) believed the document to have been "compiled and written in the southeastern portion of the western Midlands, say, in Gloucestershire or Oxfordshire, possibly also in southeast Worcestershire or southwest Warwickshire. The 'Book of Charges' which forms the second part of the document is certainly of the 14th century, the historical or first part, of quite the beginning of the 15th." (A.Q.C. IX, page 18)
It is a copy of parts of two older manuscripts which have not survived, as is indicated by a break in the text and the repetition of a portion.[7] The Cooke manuscript was most certainly in the hands of Mr. George Payne, when in his second term as Grand Master in 1720 he compiled the "General Regulations," and which Anderson included in his own version of the "Constitutions" published in 1723. Anderson himself evidently made use of lines 901–960 of the manuscript. But earlier than that... The Halliwell Manuscript The Halliwell Manuscript, also known as the Regius Poem, is the first known Masonic text. It consists of 64 written pages in poetic form. The poem begins by describing how Euclid "counterfeited geometry" and called it masonry, for the employment of the children of the nobility in ancient Egypt and then spread of the art of geometry in "divers lands." This is followed by fifteen articles for the master concerning both moral behaviour (do not harbour thieves, do not take bribes, attend church regularly, etc.) and the operation of work on a building site (do not make your masons labour at night, teach apprentices properly, do not take on jobs that you cannot do etc.). There are then fifteen points for craftsmen which follow a similar pattern.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonic_manuscripts
I didn't know that.
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Post by Sherlock on Feb 1, 2013 11:55:42 GMT 9.5
Elementary. Now check out the early masonic catechisms.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 1, 2013 19:46:36 GMT 9.5
I don't need to ...
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Post by Desaguliers on Feb 1, 2013 19:57:06 GMT 9.5
Why? Because you are are already acquainted with them to some extent or because the subject does not really interest you? They are essential to understanding the state of masonic ritual shortly before the changes of the 1720s.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 1, 2013 20:04:03 GMT 9.5
I know how to cook, so I have no interest in the history and development of cooking or even the life stories of famous chefs. Likewise with Freemasonry.
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Post by Desaguliers on Feb 1, 2013 20:09:33 GMT 9.5
Your fellow admin. does seem to presume to comment more on masonic history than do you, who is content with elementary matters. The history however is vital to understanding the identity of Freemasonry.
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2013 6:45:21 GMT 9.5
...The history however is vital to understanding the identity of Freemasonry. Are you ready then to add to your outline above?
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Post by Desaguliers on Feb 2, 2013 18:16:20 GMT 9.5
...The history however is vital to understanding the identity of Freemasonry. Are you ready then to add to your outline above? If it is one of your favourite subjects then lead off with what you know.
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Post by paul on Feb 2, 2013 18:30:16 GMT 9.5
My experience is that particular posters are much better at critiquing than providing new content. Each to their own I suppose.
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Post by empty vessel on Feb 2, 2013 18:44:08 GMT 9.5
My experience is that particular posters are much better at critiquing than providing new content. Each to their own I suppose. When it is you being pressed for information it seems different standards apply as to when you are pressing others.
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