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Post by mystagogue on Feb 6, 2013 10:24:04 GMT 9.5
There are mysteries and there are mysteries. The subject of this thread refers to those introduced to Freemasonry in the 1720's.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 6, 2013 11:05:45 GMT 9.5
There are mysteries and there are mysteries. The subject of this thread refers to those introduced to Freemasonry in the 1720's. You did make that statement ... and we are now on page three and you keep wanting us to guess. Let me say it first - "I give in - who introduced the mysteries to Freemasonry in the 1720's? Anderson, Ashmole, Newton? (Or any other Alchemist who was around at the time).
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Post by LorrB on Feb 6, 2013 11:15:08 GMT 9.5
.... or... Lorr looks over her shoulders both ways and beckons you closer ... Was it the Jesuits? The Jesuits played a very important part in these conferences. Regarding the reinstatement of the Stuarts and the extension of the power of the Roman church as identical, they sought, at that time, to make the society of Freemasons subservient to their ends. But to make use of the Fraternity to restore the exiled family to the throne could not possibly have been contemplated, as Freemasonry could hardly be said to exist in Scotland then.
Perhaps in 1724, when Ramsay was a year in Rome, or in 1728, when the Pretender in Parma kept up an intercourse with the restless Duke of Wharton, a Past Grand Master, this idea was first entertained; and then, when it was apparent how difficult it would be to corrupt the loyalty and fealty of Freemasonry in the Grand Lodge of Scotland, founded in 1736, this Scheme was set on foot, of assembling the faithful adherents of the banished royal family in the high Degrees! The soil which was best adapted for this innovation was France, where the low ebb to which Freemasonry had sunk had paved the way for all kinds of newfangled notions, and where the Lodges were composed of Scotch conspirators and accomplices of the Jesuits. When the path had thus been smoothed by the agency of these secret propagandists, Ramsay, at that time Grand Orator, an office unknown in England, by his speech completed the preliminaries necessary for the introduction of the high Degrees; their further development was left to the instrumentality of others, whose influence produced a result somewhat different from that originally intended. Their course we can now pursue, assisted by authentic historical information.
In 1752, Scottish Masonry, as it was denominated, penetrated into Germany, Berlin, prepared from a ritual very similar to one used in Lille in 1749 and 1750. In 1743, Thory tells us, the Masons in Lyons, under the name of the Petit Elu, or the Lesser Elect, invented the Degree of Kadosh, which represents the revenge of the Templars. The Order of Knights Templar had been abolished in 1311, and to that epoch they were obliged to have recourse when, after the banishment of several Knights from Malta in 1720 because they were Freemasons, it was not longer possible to keep up a connection with the Order of Saint John or Knights of Malta. then in the plenitude of their power under the sovereignty of the Pope. A pamphlet entitled Freemasonry Divested of all its Secrets published in Strasburg in 1745, contains the first glimpse of the Strict Observance, and demonstrates how much they expected the Brotherhood to contribute towards the expedition in favor of the Pretender. “ From what has been said, it is evident there was a strong belief that the exiled House of Stuart exercised an important part in the invention and extension of what has been called the High Masonry. The traces of the political system are seen at the present day in the internal organization of some of the advanced Degrees especially in the derivation and meaning of certain significant words. There is, indeed, abundant reason for believing that the substitute word of the Third Degree was changed by Ramsay, or some other fabricator of Degrees, to give it a reference to James II as “the son of the widow,” Queen Henrietta Maria.
vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/mysteries-freemasonry-jesuits-e.html
I didn't know that. And another candidate for The Widow
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Post by mystagogue on Feb 6, 2013 11:53:02 GMT 9.5
There are mysteries and there are mysteries. The subject of this thread refers to those introduced to Freemasonry in the 1720's. You did make that statement ... and we are now on page three and you keep wanting us to guess. You have guessed from time to time only for it to be overwhelmed by nonsense. I did not start this thread. It picked up on a passing comment of mine on another thread in which, over-estimating you, I expected the reference would be understood. Evidently not. I have repeatedly stated that I do not intend to discuss such pearls here.
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Post by stewart edwards on Feb 6, 2013 22:24:26 GMT 9.5
I have repeatedly stated that I do not intend to discuss such pearls here. Discussing pearls doesnt achieve much anyway for if you are ready you will know anyway. What matters is what you do with the pearls in your daily life.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 7, 2013 7:24:57 GMT 9.5
... does anyone ever feel sorry for the oyster?
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Post by stepnwolf on Feb 7, 2013 10:14:17 GMT 9.5
Not even when it's going down the throat, although sometimes I hear it screaming. The vegetarian may be correct, but our teeth indicate a rather carnivorous past and old habits are difficult to break for some of us folks. I don't eat cats because of an emotional attachment to the creatures. Nor do I eat palm worms because they look disgusting. Otherwise, the further food is away from it's living state, the less I object to it. As to the oyster, I hope it is like the schmoo, who is delighted to be eaten.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 7, 2013 11:14:45 GMT 9.5
... part of you is positively evil too stepnwolf.
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Post by paul on Feb 8, 2013 11:03:36 GMT 9.5
>our teeth indicate a rather carnivorous past
My teeth are very different from those of our cat. And my digestive system a lot longer - more time for meat to rot.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 8, 2013 12:02:28 GMT 9.5
... do you ever feel sorry for the carrots?
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Post by paul on Feb 8, 2013 12:47:40 GMT 9.5
It may be worth apologising/thanking/respecting before eating
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Post by stepnwolf on Feb 9, 2013 19:24:45 GMT 9.5
>... do you ever feel sorry for the carrots?
I have nary a thought about carrots, but I do grieve for the senseless murder of our children in schools and in unloving homes; I do regret the thoughtless cruelty of men who rape women in India and elsewhere. I do marvel at the insensitivity of a supposedly evolved species that allows poverty and hunger to exist, that punishes people for being poor.
While fatcats at the top of the food chain lust only after more possessions, more money, more power, I rejoice that a few us are moved by compassion to hold back the tide of more suffering in the world. I am consoled to see bands of men and women who are dedicated to the improvement of our inheritance of earth and sky.
Carrots? I really don't care for them.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 10, 2013 7:34:14 GMT 9.5
Poor carrots... The way things are in the world... makes me wonder about the creative powers of the demiurge sometimes. "Peace will be the result of understanding and sharing, and not the origin of them, as the pacifists so often imply." DK Those words describe ground floor Freemasonry I think.
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Post by omnivore on Feb 18, 2013 12:04:49 GMT 9.5
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2013 7:58:19 GMT 9.5
So - who introduced the mysteries to Freemasonry - by what authority? - from where? - what are those mysteries that were introduced? For various reasons this thread did not proceed. Perhaps we can start again
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Post by joseph on Feb 21, 2013 18:12:22 GMT 9.5
Mysteries has in it many meanings, that of course, would be according to the dictionaries. I particularly love this meaning.."A religious truth that is incomprehensible to reason and knowable only through divine revelation". Well..if and only if every one is on the same divine level will the revelation be understood.... by each and every participant in the discussion board. Diverse as we are individually we are guided by..guess what? the basic tenet and working tools of the craft, please allow me to caught some part "...among whom no contention should ever exist but that noble contention, or rather emulation, of who best can work and best agree". As a start I propose that we should agree that we will disagree!
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Post by paul on Feb 21, 2013 22:37:34 GMT 9.5
I have met a number of humans that have access to different parts of the Mysteries. It is as if particular people have specialist roles - working with quite specific agenda under some sort of inner guidance.
Generally they seem able to recognise and respect others working with the Mysteries, even if in quite different aspects and quite different ways.
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Post by LorrB on Feb 22, 2013 9:00:43 GMT 9.5
Good point, Joseph. We work on those lines here.
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Post by paul on Mar 10, 2013 7:41:32 GMT 9.5
Are we in a position to start outlining the content of the Mysteries?
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Post by LorrB on Mar 10, 2013 7:55:40 GMT 9.5
You start ...
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