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Els
Apr 28, 2011 8:30:27 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Apr 28, 2011 8:30:27 GMT 9.5
Undoubtedly, which is why we each should experience the divine directly, instead of relying on exoteric religious sources.
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 8:33:05 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 28, 2011 8:33:05 GMT 9.5
Quite so. My interest here is with past and future history.
In addition, I recently observed a brother being strongly held by one of these gods - and apparently enjoying the situation. Surrounding brethren did not find the fallout quite so appealing.
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 9:24:54 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 28, 2011 9:24:54 GMT 9.5
Gods are depicted as larger in ancient representations to indicate... that they are Gods! No more, no less. Symbolism - not literalness. Elohim is plural and they were Gods.. the bible tells so. The bible also tells us that there were giants on the earth in those days and that they lived to be great ages (700, 900 years etc). The bible tells us that some prophets were taken up into the heavens for short trips. The bible tells us that 'shining' people visited other biblical characters (and made some women pregnant - artificial insemination? A possible explanation for the virgin birth) The bible tells us that God (which one of the Gods?) needed a special piece of equipment built so that he could speak to his people. I would have thought God (who thought up and created a whole Universe) might be able to speak directly to whomever he liked, anytime, anywhere. (And why did anyone who touched this equipment die? Electrocuted?) Then there are all those ancient sites which feature giant stones, put together in such a manner that today still leaves engineers scratching their heads. Note: some of the stones at the Temple of the Mount make the stones used in the Great Pyramid look like pebbles. Might this giantism of masonry be one of the reasons that the site is so venerated - memory of god/s who visited? Masons might note that King Solomon was accompanied by several Jinns and used to fly around on a 'magic carpet'. We have giants amongst us even now, people over 7' tall. Will generations in the future see depictions of them and assume they were Gods?
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 12:49:37 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Apr 28, 2011 12:49:37 GMT 9.5
. inside the arch is a fallic symbol.. above that combination is its result.. from this perspective, the way of the tree of life is rather obvious.. That must be why the amphibians carry hand bags id say those r ingredients, like body and spirit.. why is that bird in there? got any giant skeletons? how tall is a giant?
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 13:01:51 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 28, 2011 13:01:51 GMT 9.5
There are giant skeletal remains found from time to time. Google them.
There is also a giant sepulchre in the middle of a pond under the Sphinx. Zawi Hawaas did a television program on it. Wish I had taped it as I have searched everywhere for it it since seeing it but to no avail.
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 13:04:57 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 28, 2011 13:04:57 GMT 9.5
Something which amused me greatly.. coincidence or synchronicity.
Re 'taking advice, applying it, and keeping eyes and ears open for feedback' - the theme of henka's wonderful weekend away on another thread.
I am surrounded with thoughts on El's (Elohim) and aliens at present, because I think they are often confused. I have some 'interesting' discussions with various people about this from time to time.
Whilst typing away here mention was made of a girl's name, Eleanor. I grinned to myself thinking another 'el' word, what a coincidence. Then a second person said, "yes, I have always loved that name. I think of someone statueque, very tall and elegant".
Needless to say I had to look to the heavens with a grin and say "thank you God".
Feedback, we always get feedback.
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 13:14:49 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 28, 2011 13:14:49 GMT 9.5
> id say those r ingredients, like body and spirit.. According the Sumerian accounts those bags carried the bread of life and the water of life. The gods were dying from the adverse conditions on this planet and required special food to maintain their immortality. Hence Psalm 82: 'You are Gods [Elohim], And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7 Surely you will die just as men do >why is that bird in there? It is not a bird. The seal impression you are looking at is very small. Here is a larger version of the flying entity > how tall is a giant? The Titans were titanic by humans standards. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28mythology%29By one account, a titan not subject to the rays of our aging Sun (dwelling underground) could grow to a titanic 300 feet tall. Most however were/are smaller, particularly if living on the surface.
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 13:19:47 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Apr 28, 2011 13:19:47 GMT 9.5
the largest man known is 272 cm (very tall but no giant imo).. very tall ppl usually suffer from an illness that causes their abnormal growth.. they usually dont get old..
do u have any proof of 300 ft tall giants? i dont mean the seal btw, i mean the bird to the left of the fishy guy on the left of the center
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 13:58:02 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 28, 2011 13:58:02 GMT 9.5
There is no proof that I know of for 300 foot giants except of course the accounts of native peoples around the world. There are tools (mainly stone) that are much too large for current humans. This site mentions a 37 lb ax. s8int.com/giants1.htmlAnd Rex Gilroy is always interesting www.mysteriousaustralia.com/>i mean the bird to the left of the fishy guy That is not a bird but a humanoid depicted with wings. Here is another I tend to think the wings are symbolic of the flying capacity provided by the helmet and the backpack (not visible here) but am uncertain given that human chimera are available www.geneticsandsociety.org/section.php?id=112The loop she (Lilith) holds in her left hand is very common in ancient depictions. I suspect it is a technical device
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 14:30:19 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 28, 2011 14:30:19 GMT 9.5
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 14:46:33 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 28, 2011 14:46:33 GMT 9.5
Or an ostrich?
But what is the significance of the bird? Every other object depicted in the seal has a purpose.
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Els
Apr 29, 2011 9:10:39 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 29, 2011 9:10:39 GMT 9.5
So where does the ostrich fit among the signs of the Lion (the Summer Solstice), the Bull (the Autumnal Equinox), the Man who was called "Father of Fathers" (the Winter Solstice), and the Eagle or Vulture (the Spring Equinox)? In ancient Egyptian art, the ostrich feather represented fecundity and new life. As early as 2600 B.C., the ostrich was associated with the goddess Ma’at, who is shown with an ostrich feather in her headband. Ma'at weighed the hearts of the dead in her scales to determine who would die the "second death" (Rev. 2:11) and who would enter eternal life. So the ostrich comes after the Bull, and this is verified by the book of Job.
In Elihu's lengthy discourse (Job 32-39), he illustrates God's transcendence by describing the Lion, the Nubian Wild Goat, the Wild Donkey, the Wild Ox (bull or rhinoceros), the Ostrich, and the Raven or GriffinVulture. The ostrich comes between the Bull (Autumnal Equinox) and the Vulture (Spring Equinox). Here the ostrich is clearly intended to represent the Winter Solstice and the hope of new life or life after death.
biblicalanthropology.blogspot.com/2010/10/ostrich-in-biblical-symbolism.html
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Els
Apr 29, 2011 9:12:06 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 29, 2011 9:12:06 GMT 9.5
I should have known that Another ostrich feather.
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Els
Apr 29, 2011 9:28:38 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 29, 2011 9:28:38 GMT 9.5
Since the god in question (a god because wearing the horned helmet of the vikings) is holding an unhappy ostrich by the neck and has a curved device in the other hand, I suspect the god has just returned from hunting.
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Els
Apr 29, 2011 11:52:10 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Apr 29, 2011 11:52:10 GMT 9.5
any rituals known where big birds get sacrificed to celebrate the winter solstice?
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Els
May 1, 2011 8:41:12 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on May 1, 2011 8:41:12 GMT 9.5
can we then conclude that the way of the tree of life is nothing more then knowledge of the soltices?
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Els
May 1, 2011 9:56:49 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on May 1, 2011 9:56:49 GMT 9.5
The Tree of Life is depicted in various forms - some possibly being a representation of an actual bush or tree and others being geometric.
The traditional Jewish geometric form is useful map for locating energy centers on the surface of the Earth and upon the surface of Humans
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Els
May 1, 2011 11:51:31 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on May 1, 2011 11:51:31 GMT 9.5
is that the same tree of life as in the bible passage and in the carving?
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Els
May 1, 2011 17:32:51 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on May 1, 2011 17:32:51 GMT 9.5
It is the same naming but it is likely that an esoteric instruction was attached to an historical event. Thus the Tree of Life is/was important as a source of sustenance to the gods who were dying under this aging Sun.
And the gods instructed their half-breed offspring in esoteric practices based upon a patterning that is found in much of Creation - and called it by the same name.
Later generations lost the knowledge of both Trees.
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Els
May 2, 2011 10:13:23 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on May 2, 2011 10:13:23 GMT 9.5
Giants Genesis 6:4 - “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Numbers 13:33 – “And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so were in their sight.” 1 Chronicles 11:23 - “And he slew an Egyptian, a man of great stature, five cubits high.”
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