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Els
Apr 21, 2011 9:26:43 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 21, 2011 9:26:43 GMT 9.5
El-ohim Micha-el Rapha-el Gabri-el Uri-el (Did you know that the ang-els of the four directions or compass points are sometimes called the watchtowers?) www.helium.com/items/1724315-a-guide-to-the-angels-presiding-over-the-four-directionsHave you wondered whether the 'flaming sword' in Freemasonry is representing that which the ang-el in Eden carries? Els, keep popping into my mind for no good reason... so I thought we might explore this subject together.
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Els
Apr 21, 2011 9:29:08 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 21, 2011 9:29:08 GMT 9.5
And aren't you just a tad suspicious about the ang-els who told the mothers of Jesus, John the Baptist and Abraham's wife (all of whom had miraculous births) that they were pregnant?
(Note: the resulting children were all special with unusual qualities)
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Els
Apr 25, 2011 7:17:21 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 25, 2011 7:17:21 GMT 9.5
Have you wondered whether the 'flaming sword' in Freemasonry is representing that which the ang-el in Eden carries? KJV "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." Young's Literal Translation "yea, he casteth out the man, and causeth to dwell at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flame of the sword which is turning itself round to guard the way of the tree of life." So it seems that the flaming sword was to ensure the humans did not have access to the tree of life. And that "sword" turned itself around to guard more effectively. "flaming" :lahat (lah'-hat) a blaze; also (from the idea of enwrapping) magic (as covert) -- flaming, enchantment. "sword" chereb (kheh'-reb) drought; also a cutting instrument (from its destructive effect), as a knife, sword, or other sharp implement -- axe, dagger, knife, mattock, sword, tool. Thus the flaming sword could be translated as a magic cutting weapon How about some sort of beam weapon with automated aiming? Arguably in French-influenced Masonry the use of the sword in the initiation is not as a weapon but rather as a conductor of energy - hence the description of flaming. In English Masonry there may not be a reference to a flaming sword. Indeed the use of swords for initiation may be largely restricted to a few higher degrees. Perhaps a brother can enlarge upon that. I do not know about other European countries.
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Els
Apr 26, 2011 4:54:41 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Apr 26, 2011 4:54:41 GMT 9.5
u could also read it as the sword (cutting tool) being something that aids humans in staying on track..
what is the way of the tree of life?
or perhaps as a spiritual working tool that reminds ppl of good and evil
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Els
Apr 26, 2011 6:13:08 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Apr 26, 2011 6:13:08 GMT 9.5
Arguably in French-influenced Masonry the use of the sword in the initiation is not as a weapon but rather as a conductor of energy - hence the description of flaming. In English Masonry there may not be a reference to a flaming sword. Indeed the use of swords for initiation may be largely restricted to a few higher degrees. Perhaps a brother can enlarge upon that. The sword is certainly a magical weapon in Traditional British Witchcraft, where it is in the hands of the High Priestess, and it is certainly used during initiation. When the candidate is lead, blindfolded and bound to the edge of the circle, they are presented with the point of the sword to their breast (sound familiar?). It is also used to cast the circle in a coven setting.
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Els
Apr 26, 2011 7:42:25 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 26, 2011 7:42:25 GMT 9.5
what is the way of the tree of life? Here is a depiction of the Tree of Life The handbags held by the fish beings are to carry the bread of life and the water of life
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Els
Apr 26, 2011 10:14:53 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Apr 26, 2011 10:14:53 GMT 9.5
mmm,.. that answers my question in the same way as the picture of a dodo would answer the question : what is the way of the dodo?
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Els
Apr 26, 2011 10:43:12 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 26, 2011 10:43:12 GMT 9.5
Perhaps some research might help
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 0:03:36 GMT 9.5
Post by mgc on Apr 27, 2011 0:03:36 GMT 9.5
i could gather from this picture that those nearer to the center smell of fish and have turned their backs to the non fishy ppl.. furthermore one better watch out for big birds cause theyll kick u in the nuts..
ok seriously this time.. inside the arch is a fallic symbol.. above that combination is its result.. from this perspective, the way of the tree of life is rather obvious..
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 8:29:50 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 27, 2011 8:29:50 GMT 9.5
. inside the arch is a fallic symbol.. above that combination is its result.. from this perspective, the way of the tree of life is rather obvious.. That must be why the amphibians carry hand bags
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 9:47:29 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 27, 2011 9:47:29 GMT 9.5
Does that image identify itself as being an image of the Tree of Life?
I read just recently that there is/was a tree that bore fruit which greatly enhanced the intelligence of a person, made him/her a genius in an instant. (Drug?)
This increase of intelligence allowed the people to see things for themselves (made them like Gods - Elohim). Or in our modern day world, the same thing might release us from the controlling influences of politicians and press and like Assange and that young soldier who supposedly provided Wikileaks with the information - we could/would be ostracized from certain societies.
The Serpent was and still is the symbol for wisdom in many traditions, it was the Catholic Church (not Jesus) who turned the serpent into the devil. And as history tells us the church and churches are quite controlling. Money and power still rule ok it seems.
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 9:49:47 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 27, 2011 9:49:47 GMT 9.5
RE Fish people... why the need for fish tails and feet? Might it be a case of trying to illustrate that those people had scaly skin?
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 9:54:32 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 27, 2011 9:54:32 GMT 9.5
Talking about controlling - have you noticed that Freemasonry holds reins as well? Is that because they need them to guide?
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 12:10:01 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 27, 2011 12:10:01 GMT 9.5
RE Fish people... why the need for fish tails and feet? Might it be a case of trying to illustrate that those people had scaly skin? It is likely that those are artists' impressions. This however seems to be an accurate depiction of Anu (TMH) and the Annedotus (fish people) were presumably under the leadership of Anu. I know this to be a good likeness because I tested it with a friend who saw one of the fish people in the ocean near here. The gesture here used by Anu can be found in RC
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 12:20:20 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 27, 2011 12:20:20 GMT 9.5
Does that image identify itself as being an image of the Tree of Life? The link for that image specifies it : .../Sumerian pics/fishsealtree of life.jpg A search with Google for "sumerian tree of life" turns up a variety of related images. As usual the need is to find the contemporaneous images. The next one is considered by the site I found it to relate to bees. Bees of course are central to Masonry so there may be something to be learned here Note the difference in size of figures. The gods were "ilu" meaning both "tall" and "god". Thus Abraham could recognise a god even though he had not met him before.
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 13:48:20 GMT 9.5
Post by LorrB on Apr 27, 2011 13:48:20 GMT 9.5
In other cultures it was the same. I must admit, it was the epiction of different sizes that finally convinced me that when the Bible talked about giants being on the Earth in those days, it wasn't joking.
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 14:25:33 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Apr 27, 2011 14:25:33 GMT 9.5
Gods are depicted as larger in ancient representations to indicate... that they are Gods! No more, no less. Symbolism - not literalness.
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Els
Apr 27, 2011 16:18:48 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 27, 2011 16:18:48 GMT 9.5
Gods are depicted as larger in ancient representations to indicate... that they are Gods! No more, no less. Symbolism - not literalness. That is certainly a common proposition in these days but it is not entirely consistent with the OT accounts. For example the Anakim were giants and I tend to link them with the Annunaki who were gods
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 2:10:59 GMT 9.5
Post by Henka on Apr 28, 2011 2:10:59 GMT 9.5
The myths set forth in the OT are corrupted versions of the Sumerian mythological cycle, filtered through the Babylonians.
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Els
Apr 28, 2011 5:49:21 GMT 9.5
Post by paul on Apr 28, 2011 5:49:21 GMT 9.5
No doubt that is so. The question for me, however, is whether that process of corruption is still continuing.
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