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Post by Smithee on Dec 28, 2011 9:45:40 GMT 9.5
The term a "real psychic" is any oxymoron.
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Post by paul on Dec 28, 2011 11:25:47 GMT 9.5
This looks like Smithee again. If he is unproductive again he will find his new IP banned also A real psychic would know. The term a "real psychic" is any oxymoron. So what were you meaning when you said that "a real psychic would know" (that it was you posting under a different name)?
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Post by William Blake on Jan 1, 2012 7:20:26 GMT 9.5
What is now proved was once only imagined.
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Post by brandt on Jan 1, 2012 7:33:18 GMT 9.5
Proof would be welcome. Any proof. That of course means that the evidence would be found with the strictest of methods that could be reproduced.
True, the absence of evidence proves nothing. Yet for some reason I am more than comfortable in the idea that unicorns or centaurs don't exist. To make some of the claims that have been discussed on this forum some serious evidence would be required to disprove all the other more likely explanations.
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Post by Bill Shakespeare on Jan 1, 2012 10:17:08 GMT 9.5
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Post by Fred Nietzsche on Jan 1, 2012 10:17:56 GMT 9.5
We are all better artists than we realize.
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Post by paul on Jan 1, 2012 10:31:50 GMT 9.5
The term psychism is generally used to designate astral and lower mental sensitivity - using the astral and lower mental energy/light bodies as sense organs.
We know of course that the physical body has sense organs and since "as below so above" we can expect the subtle levels of humans to have equivalent capacities.
In a technical sense, each chakra (in principle) has an associated intelligence and that intelligence, with access to suitable substance and after appropriate training/experience, is capable of directed sensitivity.
Thus we may aspire at some future time to develop heart senses and heart knowledge.
Even later we may develop the senses associated with that center that is veiled by the Point within the Circle and with those senses we will be unable to err - at least in the matters of Earthly Masonry.
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Post by brandt on Jan 1, 2012 11:54:35 GMT 9.5
Why that be considered true? You cling to the view of a fragmented being.
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Post by paul on Jan 1, 2012 12:55:57 GMT 9.5
You cling to the view of a fragmented being. A set of organs, properly organised, forms the biological core for the body of manifestation for an organism. As the human is organ-ised below (physically) so it is organ-ised above (psychologically and spiritually). The third eye is one such organ. Even if the entity does not know that it has organs, the organs still operate to facilitate the whole.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jan 1, 2012 20:23:45 GMT 9.5
Thus we may aspire at some future time to develop heart senses and heart knowledge. Paul why at some future time? Why not now? There are plenty of people in the world who work form their heart, though mostly society beats them down for daring to be different. Just because the established structures have too often visibly failed to enable people to follow their hearts in a constructive fashion, does not mean that the people of this planet need to wait. And indeed global events are showing, and have been showing since the 80s/90s that people are, even if unknowingly, learning how to be true of heart. I realise that it may be a little scary for the fabled "elites" as society moved forwards faster than they feel comfortable with, but with leadership this planet could easily (well ok straighforwardly if not easily) take an evolutionary step forwards, so that just as we looked back at the millenium on how far we had come since 1900, when we look back in 2100, we could well be stunned to reflect on how we, as a people, have left puberty. It is actually quite exciting. Just a shame that the masonic world has not been able to take a more leading role in human evolution.
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Post by paul on Jan 1, 2012 20:47:43 GMT 9.5
..Why not now? There are plenty of people in the world who work form their heart... I was speaking to a spiritual healer the other day and she was telling me that she was clearing her emotions and working through the heart. On questioning, what she meant by emotions was what I consider lower emotions (sub-planes 6.7 to 6.4) and what she meant by heart was what I consider higher emotions (sub-planes 6.3 to 6.1). She used no words that I would consider described heart functions (4.7 to 4.1). While there is quite some variation in how humans may proceed in spiritual development, most Westerners will undertake an overlapping process progressing through control of physical desires, refinement of the emotions, refinement of mental functions and thence development of heart functions. In my life I have only observed a handful of people with full spectrum control of heart functions and perhaps a 100 with some degree of heart activity (mainly 4.7 and 4.6) but without much control. Conscious control of heart function can be expected as the norm for a later phase of humanity. For now the initiate can be well pleased with full control of mental function.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jan 2, 2012 4:53:38 GMT 9.5
I was speaking to a spiritual healer the other day and she was telling me that she was clearing her emotions and working through the heart. Sadly my own personal experience, with spiritual healers that I have bumped into at conferences and at bbqs have been less than positive experiences. At least one clearly had some abilities which I tested (I was feeling a pain in my back that no matter where I sat seemed to come from her, and she admitted it, in front of witnesses and apologized for it), but I think it would be fair comment to say that I am utterly unimpressed by spiritual healers. That said, I do have a lot of time for faith healing, mainly due to the time that one of my eyes was in agony, with a potential problem in the other, and I was sent to the hospital, but by the time I got there I knew that I was ok, and it baffled the consultant to the degree that he pondered whether the opticians pressure readings must have been wrong. The consultant was unable to explain how my eye healed itself and most opticians that I have seen since also appeared a bit baffled. Probably a perfectly mundane reason why my eye went from such pain to being a-ok but the clinical professions cant tell me what it is. So I have to accept that if specialist medical professionals cant explain it, the best that I can do was my own "heal myself"actions, which I did put a lot of effort into, not to go blind, worked. Surely Paul for this to happen then initiates today must prepare the ground, teach, illuminate the way, help others find their way, to aid this process of evolution? The sheer potential (even the corporate business potential) of such an evolutionary step is sheer mind boggling. [An advantage of having economics, professional accountancy, and international corporate experience, combined with a measure of esoteric understanding, is that I can see the potential corporate benefits as well as the benefits to every individual - gained from being poor, carer, etc. The tricky bit, as I am sure it has been for everyone who has walked this path before me, is to fathom out how to make money out of it. The best solution that I can come up with so far is to get into global politics and soothe from there, but I think that the real prize would be to fathom out how the coprorate world could make money while aiding the process of planetary evolution, a bit more ethicly than it currently does]
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Post by paul on Jan 2, 2012 9:23:33 GMT 9.5
...initiates today must prepare the ground, teach, illuminate the way, help others find their way, to aid this process of evolution? The sheer potential (even the corporate business potential) of such an evolutionary step is sheer mind boggling.... The initiates of today are stepping up to the mark but it takes time to transcend the soul and operate at heart level. Still, the work has started. The Excellence movement of the 1980s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Excellence is based on the externalisation of junior initiatory teachings into the private sector - excellence being founded upon the anchoring of Spirit in the human heart. It is fair to say that this externalisation of spiritual teaching was regarded as a significant break through for the human race. Later results of this can be seen in pressure from a section of big business for governments to regulate carbon emissions. www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/big-business-backs-push-to-cut-carbon-20100916-15eqq.html
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Post by paul on Jan 2, 2012 9:27:49 GMT 9.5
...my own personal experience, with spiritual healers that I have bumped into at conferences and at bbqs have been less than positive experiences.... The healer I referred to, had as many holes in her aura as a Swiss cheese. In her emotional attachment to her clients (and relatives) she has had a practice of donating light body substance. As a result she is not whole. Once she saw her situation she took an inventory of the holes and has started to recover the accidentally donated light-body substance. This must be common amongst healers who operate at emotional (sympathetic) levels - trusting that the energy they channel is sufficient and that the process does not need management.
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Post by stewartedwards on Jan 3, 2012 22:10:23 GMT 9.5
Been thinking about your words Paul The initiates of today are stepping up to the mark but it takes time to transcend the soul and operate at heart level. Still, the work has started. The Excellence movement of the 1980s en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Excellence is based on the externalisation of junior initiatory teachings into the private sector - excellence being founded upon the anchoring of Spirit in the human heart. It is fair to say that this externalisation of spiritual teaching was regarded as a significant break through for the human race. Later results of this can be seen in pressure from a section of big business for governments to regulate carbon emissions. www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/big-business-backs-push-to-cut-carbon-20100916-15eqq.htmlWith some thought I agree, and indeed my own personal experience of working in the professional field for a global organisation in the 1980s would support this. However it seems to me that when you look at the corporate world it does still seem to be clouded and all to often anchored against the flow. Though I accept that this is in large part due to resistance to change, comfort zones, the need for power and money and control etc. That said it does appear to be more responsive that the political world, even if in some places the corporate world appears to exert undue influence on the political world. (and that is me being tactful ;D). It must be an absolute nightmare fire fighting if you are at the top echelons of power in our world today, for you have the opposing energies of society evolution and comfort zones colliding. (Reflected in everything from eg in the UK the spectacle over MPs expenses, and more globally whistleblowing and so on and so forth). On the one hand these "high hied yins" must have the wisdom to see that forward progress needs to be made, yet at the same time established comfort zones don't give up their hold easily, and in the meantime as they try "to make things work" fires need to increasingly be fought (as is being played out eg in the EU). It seems to me though Paul that when you look at the energy flows on this planet and how they have developed at least since I was born, there is the will to move forwards, at least in the hearts of the people, but insufficient attention has been given to the effects of power corrupting and undue influence between players (eg lobbying - decisions made for money). It really is quite fascinating looking at our world both from the micro view of how every single apparently insignificant decision we make can have untold consequences to people that are not immediately obvious, to the macro view of global energy flows.
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Post by paul on Jan 4, 2012 11:29:09 GMT 9.5
By my observation, the solar entity/system itself has made a step forward (perhaps a decade ago on this time path) and the impact has flowed into the human race manifesting as a greater intent to do what is right and to be responsible at a planetary level. This will lead to a greater sense of the natural function of humanity and progressively to a sense of some higher purpose.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 10, 2012 7:32:33 GMT 9.5
If you can't describe what you are doing as a process, you don't know what you're doing. Freemasonry is a process, how many masons can describe that process? It is a process of ... what?
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Post by LorrB on Jan 10, 2012 7:36:42 GMT 9.5
Mine is:- 1. You need an emotional connection to act like a bridge.... Quite so. Empathy is a precondition for much non-verbal communication. And of course antipathy prevents most communication even when words are used. I have read that the only way for 'our prayers are heard' are through emotional contact with the subconscious self, which relays the message to 'above'. Much like the interaction of the first and final ceremonies in a lodge room when you think about it.
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Post by LorrB on Jan 10, 2012 7:42:07 GMT 9.5
The term psychism is generally used to designate astral and lower mental sensitivity - using the astral and lower mental energy/light bodies as sense organs. We know of course that the physical body has sense organs and since "as below so above" we can expect the subtle levels of humans to have equivalent capacities. In a technical sense, each chakra (in principle) has an associated intelligence and that intelligence, with access to suitable substance and after appropriate training/experience, is capable of directed sensitivity. Thus we may aspire at some future time to develop heart senses and heart knowledge. Even later we may develop the senses associated with that center that is veiled by the Point within the Circle and with those senses we will be unable to err - at least in the matters of Earthly Masonry. Maybe this is a clue to penalties .. ?
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Post by LorrB on Jan 10, 2012 7:47:29 GMT 9.5
By my observation, the solar entity/system itself has made a step forward (perhaps a decade ago on this time path) and the impact has flowed into the human race manifesting as a greater intent to do what is right and to be responsible at a planetary level. This will lead to a greater sense of the natural function of humanity and progressively to a sense of some higher purpose. I noticed a big change last year ... I put it down to the natural disasters Australia suffered (not to mention NZ and Japan). They seemed to cause many to 'stocktake' and make changes.
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