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Post by LorrB on Nov 29, 2011 8:08:48 GMT 9.5
Perhaps the human race is sometimes a co-creator. Builders?
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Post by brandt on Nov 29, 2011 8:43:14 GMT 9.5
I completely understand and I am 100% accomodating. Seeking of knowledge requires that one actually suspend disbelief and look at the evidence. Skepticism is always warranted. I have submitted, the weight of the argument was too powerful for me. It all came about by God, all the other evidence to the contrary should be ignored. Now I have truth.
Changing what we "know" can only happen if a mind if open to the challenge. It isn't. So I leave it there. It was all God and apparently I am part of co-creating all of this. I would like to recommend some design changes in God's perfect design.
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Post by paul on Nov 29, 2011 8:54:56 GMT 9.5
There is also the possibility that evolution has yet to be seen by Earth humanity as Earth is still unfolding the terra-forming previously set in motion by cosmic adventurers et. al.
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Post by LorrB on Nov 29, 2011 10:06:07 GMT 9.5
I would like to recommend some design changes in God's perfect design. With you all the way on that one, brandt! (Did you hear the one about God, who promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world? And then She made the earth round)
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Post by LorrB on Nov 29, 2011 10:07:44 GMT 9.5
Evolution: God made Adam, took a good long look at him and thought "'shute, I can do better than that." Then he made Eve.
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Post by Henka on Nov 29, 2011 12:54:04 GMT 9.5
There is also the possibility that evolution has yet to be seen by Earth humanity as Earth is still unfolding the terra-forming previously set in motion by cosmic adventurers et. al. You are making a huge assumption there!
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Post by brandt on Nov 29, 2011 13:03:04 GMT 9.5
I would like to recommend some design changes in God's perfect design. With you all the way on that one, brandt! (Did you hear the one about God, who promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world? And then She made the earth round) A number of biological things, break down of cells (that whole telomere problem), male pattern baldness, sickle-cell anemia, myopia, etc etc etc ad nauseum. Perfect design given be the Almighty Himself. I did hear about obedient wives. I guess I wasn't in that line.
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Post by brandt on Nov 29, 2011 13:03:45 GMT 9.5
There is also the possibility that evolution has yet to be seen by Earth humanity as Earth is still unfolding the terra-forming previously set in motion by cosmic adventurers et. al. Dude? Really?
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Post by paul on Nov 29, 2011 15:57:49 GMT 9.5
What symptoms might we see of terra-forming?
And of cosmic adventurers?
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Post by brandt on Nov 30, 2011 0:12:35 GMT 9.5
What do you mean by "symptoms?"
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Post by paul on Nov 30, 2011 5:58:08 GMT 9.5
If such scenarios did exist, what sort of signs might they leave that we might observe?
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Post by LorrB on Nov 30, 2011 7:53:10 GMT 9.5
There is also the possibility that evolution has yet to be seen by Earth humanity as Earth is still unfolding the terra-forming previously set in motion by cosmic adventurers et. al. You are making a huge assumption there! I love that image, it always makes me laugh. However... "Our sun is one of a 100 billion stars in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of billions of galaxies populating the universe. It would be the height of presumption to think that we are the only living thing in that enormous immensity"
– Wernher Von Braun So back at you with the doubleface palm.. Just sayin..
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Post by paul on Nov 30, 2011 7:57:07 GMT 9.5
Cosmic carpetbaggers should be pretty easy to spot in native legends
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Post by LorrB on Nov 30, 2011 8:20:25 GMT 9.5
If such scenarios did exist, what sort of signs might they leave that we might observe? Might this be a clue on where to look? - Michel Alouf (1999) discusses the many theories concerning the builders of the pre-roman portions of the site. He came to the conclusion that it was the temple Baalath built by Solomon, based on the following biblical passage (I Kings, IX; 17-19):
“And Solomon built Gezer and Beth-Horon, the lower, and Baalath and Tadmor (Palmyra) in the wilderness, in the land, and all the cities of store that Solomon had, and cities for his chariots, and cities for his horsemen, and that which Solomon desired to build in Jerusalem, and in Lebanon, and in all the land of his dominion.”
- Childress (2000) mentions the Kebra Negast, the spiritual guide of the Ethiopians, which says that Solomon had a flying vehicle; also that there are hilltops in Pakistan and Iran where Solomon is believed to have landed.
- By the tradition of the ancient Jews, Jehovah was not the only god in the universe, he was the “only god of this particular people”; and although by the act of the covenant the Israelites had committed themselves to the rule of Jehovah’s law, King Solomon (950 bc) had permitted the worship, apparently even in Jerusalem, of a rival god, Baal, whose main temple was at Baalbek (Baalath).
- Near the Golden Gate (Jerusalem) is a small mosque, the “Kurst Suleiman”. Here legend tells us that, “King Solomon sat watching the Jann and Genii laboring to build his great monuments in Jerusalem, Baalbek, and Palmyra.” (Cornfeld,1972) (Jann were a type of Persian Genii, or "Genius", who had the annoying habit of stealing cows – to eat, I suppose).
- Throughout the ancient Near East we find images of one or more people flying in “winged discs”. And we find “genie”, also called “bird-men” by scholars, who are represented as powerful humans with wings (Fig 5-5), and sometimes with the face of an Eagle, and called "eagle-men". Virginia Marin (www.Suite101.com) writes that Genie, or geniuses, were “…all-powerful. They had great natural and inventive ability. They were smart and possessed great mental capacity…” .. images in link below www.world-mysteries.com/aa_3.htm#Pyramids
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Post by LorrB on Nov 30, 2011 8:27:11 GMT 9.5
From one of the oldest chronicles of India...the Book of Dzyan: "Separation did not bring peace to these people and finally their anger reached a point where the ruler of the original city took with him a small number of his warriors and they rose into the air in a huge shining metal vessel. While they were many leagues from the city of their enemies, they launched a great shining lance that rode on a beam of light. It burst apart in the city of their enemies with a great ball of flame that shot up to the heavens, almost to the stars. All those who were in the city were horribly burned and even those who were not in the city - but nearby - were burned also. Those who looked upon the lance and the ball of fire were blinded forever afterward. Those who entered the city on foot became ill and died. Even the dust of the city was poisoned, as were the rivers that flowed through it. Men dared not go near it, and it gradually crumbled into dust and was forgotten by men. When the leader saw what he had done to his own people he retired to his palace and refused to see anyone. Then he gathered about him those warriors who remained, and their wives and children, and they entered their vessels and rose one by one into the sky and sailed away. Nor did they return." www.world-mysteries.com/aa_4.htm#Biotechnology
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Post by paul on Nov 30, 2011 8:48:06 GMT 9.5
How about some beings arriving, declaring themselves gods, claiming all gold as belonging to them and putting humans to work, mining and extracting?
Could such beings be carpetbaggers?
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Post by Henka on Nov 30, 2011 9:27:59 GMT 9.5
How about some beings arriving, declaring themselves gods, claiming all gold as belonging to them and putting humans to work, mining and extracting? Could such beings be carpetbaggers? They could be figments of Zach Sitchin's imagination...
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Post by brandt on Nov 30, 2011 10:05:48 GMT 9.5
Occam's Razor should be kept sharp in discussions such as this.
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Post by paul on Nov 30, 2011 11:48:09 GMT 9.5
There plenty of carpetbagger accounts around the world in native traditions.
Why are our beliefs about ancient history any better than more contemporaneous accounts around the world. Are we more intelligent?
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Post by LorrB on Nov 30, 2011 12:19:29 GMT 9.5
Occam's Razor should be kept sharp in discussions such as this. A little aside.. what would Occam's Razor make of this (which I posted on another thread)?
"Separation did not bring peace to these people and finally their anger reached a point where the ruler of the original city took with him a small number of his warriors and they rose into the air in a huge shining metal vessel. While they were many leagues from the city of their enemies, they launched a great shining lance that rode on a beam of light. It burst apart in the city of their enemies with a great ball of flame that shot up to the heavens, almost to the stars. All those who were in the city were horribly burned and even those who were not in the city - but nearby - were burned also. Those who looked upon the lance and the ball of fire were blinded forever afterward. Those who entered the city on foot became ill and died. Even the dust of the city was poisoned, as were the rivers that flowed through it. Men dared not go near it, and it gradually crumbled into dust and was forgotten by men. When the leader saw what he had done to his own people he retired to his palace and refused to see anyone. Then he gathered about him those warriors who remained, and their wives and children, and they entered their vessels and rose one by one into the sky and sailed away. Nor did they return."
It is from one of the oldest chronicles of India...the Book of Dzyan
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