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Post by azaziel on Dec 11, 2011 6:22:51 GMT 9.5
" and reminds us that out thoughts, words and actions are all observed and recorded by the most high, before whom we must at last stand to render an account of our life;and who, having left us to our own free action ( FREE WILL) , will most assuredly hold us responsible for our own free choice ( FREE WILL )"
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Post by azaziel on Dec 11, 2011 6:25:46 GMT 9.5
Disagree with you, just because the No's have abigger list, dosen't mean that is right, look at the first yes, thats all you need to know re free will, we have it
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Post by LorrB on Dec 12, 2011 7:37:19 GMT 9.5
I believe we have free will with limitations. Did I choose to be born? Will I choose to die? I do believe I existed before I was born and that I will continue to be after I am dead. I do believe that a lifetime is a 'day' in school... we are here to learn and progress. We are tested continually. In the tests we can't cheat, we have to choose (free will) what to think and do when situations arise. In short - here's the problem, choose the correct answer. I do believe I have learned more and therefore grown in strength and wisdom by having to negotiate the difficult paths in life. Having intervals of labour to refreshment is the part I enjoy most but I must admit that labour, when accomplished, is extremely satisfying.
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Post by brandt on Dec 12, 2011 15:07:25 GMT 9.5
We are a collection of evolved responses. Pretty cool in my opinion but I can't decide to be an eagle and have it happen. We are firmly rooted in this world. If there is another one, well we will find out soon enough.
It doesn't take one "yes." It takes a "yes" that can address the questions instead of the wishful thinking.
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Post by paul on Dec 12, 2011 15:23:27 GMT 9.5
.. I can't decide to be an eagle and have it happen... That would be a shamanistic practice.
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Post by brandt on Dec 12, 2011 15:34:00 GMT 9.5
It would be superstitious nonsense.
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Post by LorrB on Dec 12, 2011 15:46:05 GMT 9.5
Tell that to a shaman - then head for the hills, very quickly ;D Here is something you might find of interest... www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_adn12.htm#The Cosmic Serpent I have his book, and it is one of my favourites. (ever thought about DNA being a winding staircase?)
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Post by paul on Dec 12, 2011 17:26:24 GMT 9.5
It would be superstitious nonsense. So far several people have detected more than one intelligence looking through the eyes of a local cat where I live. Similar accounts exist for some humans.
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Post by azaziel on Dec 12, 2011 19:09:21 GMT 9.5
Tell that to a shaman - then head for the hills, very quickly ;D Here is something you might find of interest... www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_adn12.htm#The Cosmic Serpent I have his book, and it is one of my favourites. (ever thought about DNA being a winding staircase?) DNA is a winding staircase
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Post by paul on Dec 12, 2011 19:26:09 GMT 9.5
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 0:19:27 GMT 9.5
How does DNA interface with the etheric. There is nothing that would suggest an intangible force at work there.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 5:50:49 GMT 9.5
.There is nothing that would suggest an intangible force at work there. Except the geometry.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 6:39:20 GMT 9.5
The shape of DNA is natural. It isn't magic and it certainly does not suggest anything other than natural, observable, and quantifiable phenomena. Isn't there enough mystery in the universe without having to force a square peg into a round hole?
Faith and reason are not antagonistic. It is problematic when reason does not coincide with faith. It is up to us to examine the evidence and make the determination to accept or reject it. If anything the wonderful progress in science should increase the wonder and beauty of the universe.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 7:27:18 GMT 9.5
The shape of DNA is natural. .. Exactly my point: form follows function.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 10:01:32 GMT 9.5
. . . or more likely function is enhanced by form which would be keeping with what we actually know.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 10:49:21 GMT 9.5
That provides an interesting line for experiment by those pursuing the hidden mysteries of nature and science.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 10:56:55 GMT 9.5
Start with the most logical and likely and work from there. Strict controls and as little bias as possible. It is likely that certain functions found other uses that were capitalized on in the changing environment that had other uses in the new context. Consciousness may very well be a product of coming from a long line of survivors.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 11:01:05 GMT 9.5
Actually relationship with nature is critical. For example, the accident prone are starting a long way back for some investigations.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 11:10:19 GMT 9.5
Evolution does not predict future forms. It does express the most successful in a certain environment. Evolution by Natural Selection doesn't discuss anything other than genotypes that survived and those that failed.
Since we are social primates we are prone to certain types of government and even the anomaly of democracy can be explained in our drive to dominance. Our leaning towards hierarchical religious structures can also be explained by evolution in that we want tough questions answered from on high so that we don't have to waste energy figuring it out all by our lonesome.
I am very interested in what investigations you may have going on.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 11:15:29 GMT 9.5
Explanation generates hypotheses but hopefully does not signal an end to investigation.
Relationship with nature is the key to real knowledge. Nature willingly shows those it embraces.
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