Whose thought is that?

[sirius496]

I've been thinking about posting this for a few days but haven't been sure where to put it. Over the past two weeks I've been repeatedly reminded of two events in my life, one from last year and one from around 10 years ago. The 10 years ago event was back when I was in school as an undergraduate and was drinking heavily at that time. I was out at a bar/club I frequented, playing pool. A group of people came in and had a dark, tough way about them, sort of like a co-ed biker gang but with a different vibe. They wanted to play pool so we started playing, and by that time I was getting pretty drunk. The head guy, a tall Danny Trejo looking dude came up to me during the game and sort of took me aside slightly, and leaned in like he was going to tell me a secret. I don't recall the exact phrasing, but he said something about "You know, my father is stronger than yours". I was like, what the hell are you talking about. He was looking dead at me and replied, "oh, you know exactly what I'm talking about". I immediately sobered up and had the sense that this was sort of a spiritual confrontation of some sort. I don't know what he wanted except maybe to scare me. I wasn't scared exactly, but I was wise enough to leave pretty quickly after that because I knew I wasn't strong enough to do anything productive except to get myself in trouble. I've often thought about that night with regret because I did know what he was talking about but I didn't stand up for myself and played stupid like I had no idea, but he could see right through it. That experience has strongly motivated me to clean up my act, and to get strong enough to where if that happens again, I'm going to be able to handle it better.


I don't know how these events are related, but in conjunction with this memory I have been recalling a dream from a year ago which was profound. The dream spanned aeons, beginning in a wild world of magic, vibrant and green and bursting with energy. The gods(me included) frolicked and their/our power was nearly unlimited, there was only bliss and joy and fun. Each time a dream segment ended, I "died" and ended up in this Chinese waystation that was built out of a dark wood, and was in a circular tower with a spiral staircase leading down to who knows where. There was an old Chinese man working there but he never spoke. There were all sorts of herbs and potions on the walls, and in the center of the room was a paper folding wall that had pictures, postcards and other stationary stuff. Each time, I would reincarnate and the world was fundamentally changed beyond recognition. The gods' power dwindled over the incarnations and it was as if we were being hunted down and eliminated. If was as if some sort of robotic, alien machine virus had infected our reality and was eating away all of the power that made the world so beautiful in the beginning. Towards the end, I remember being back at the way station and this time there was a woman with jet black hair browsing the postcards. At first, I walked right past her but something grabbed me inside and I turned back with a dawning recognition. "V!" I exclaimed and she turned around with exuberance saying "You remembered!!!!". We embraced and there was such profound emotion and love that it to this day still makes me tear up when thinking about it. This woman and I were so close, and there was a sense of having incarnated together so many times and were deeply, profoundly in love. Then, I was back in the world again. This time, it was very bad. There were soldiers and warships everywhere. It reminded me of what I imagined Nazi Germany or other Fascist states must have been like. We had almost lost all of our power and were near-mortal. It was as if there was nothing left that could be done, this machine virus had eaten everything. "Why does it always end up fascist??" I exclaimed to myself in the dream. I was jostled awake at the end of that life and managed to whack myself in the eye so hard that I scratched my cornea and had to wear an eyepatch for a few days. I don't know what it means, or how these events are related, but since having found this forum they have been on my mind almost daily.

[paul]

>I'm going to be able to handle it better

It seems your antagonist was boasting of his dark sponsor. Confrontation can be dangerous. For example if you radiate light, does that make the shadows darker?

I suggest until you can control your own level of consciousness in a fairly precise manner it is better to stay out of confrontations with higher level dark beings - some of which operate beyond the soul level of standard humans.

>The gods' power dwindled over the incarnations

Long ago I had a dream in which I levitated and flew through the skies. When I landed there was a dog hanging around. I would push it away and fly off but each time it was a bit harder and I flew less high. Eventually I was on the ground with the dog.

I woke up and said: what was that all about. It was indicated that the dog was part of my personality and that I was not accepting it.

[sirius496]

>recognize specific repeating thought patterns as "mine" or "not mine"

I suppose the first question in this training is: "who am I?"

There are certain thoughts that are clearly not my own or of my higher natures. For example, voices that completely contradict my established goals, those that demean, demand, and provoke. Those that move towards base emotions such as unnecessary anger, greed, lust, etc. These range from very gross to extremely subtle.

Does anyone have feedback on how to make these distinctions?

(If this is a repost from earlier in the thread, please feel free to ignore this. It is a long, at times tedious thread that I haven't been able to get all the way through yet.)

[paul]

>how to make these distinctions?

The key issue is to measure the plane and subplane on which the impulse/thought is arriving and the secondary issue is to measure the light-dark balance of the source entity.

As an interim method, when the odd thought/feeling/impulse enters, put your attention in the flame in the heart and see if the thought/feeling/impulse disappears. If it does then it is likely that you have lifted your consciousness above the level on which the thought/feeling exists.

This indicates that the thought/feeling is not conducive to higher consciousness

[paul]

"DeAngelo made incriminating statements after his 2018 arrest, claiming he was driven by an internal force he couldn’t control. “I didn’t want to do those things,”
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/golden-state-killer-joseph-deangelo-guilty-plea



This is an obvious case of possession and we can see the overt mechanism in the head. See if you can visualise a large triangle, wide at the top, taking up much of his forehead.

Now look briefly within the triangle near the point just above the nose. How many red eyes can you see?

Don't spend much time with the eyes. They are looking for a new home.


I suspect that this man has implicitly invited these intelligences, perhaps as the result of unethical actions as a police officer.

[sammy]

Jun 30, 2020 13:52:54 GMT 9.5 paul said:

"DeAngelo made incriminating statements after his 2018 arrest, claiming he was driven by an internal force he couldn’t control. “I didn’t want to do those things,”
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/golden-state-killer-joseph-deangelo-guilty-plea



This is an obvious case of possession and we can see the overt mechanism in the head. See if you can visualise a large triangle, wide at the top, taking up much of his forehead.

Now look briefly within the triangle near the point just above the nose. How many red eyes can you see?

Don't spend much time with the eyes. They are looking for a new home.


I suspect that this man has implicitly invited these intelligences, perhaps as the result of unethical actions as a police officer.

I get the same feeling when looking at a nest of baby spiders... a multitude of a similar purpose.

[paul]

Jun 27, 2018 20:39:26 GMT 9.5 sirius496 said:

I suppose the first question in this training is: "who am I?"

I wonder if there is a previous question: What am I?

It seems easier to find a broader category of type than a unique category of who.

For myself, I gradually learn what I am by watching what I can do but this data does not help much with the question of who

[paul]

I noticed the title of this thread and immediately had an image of a thoughtform (simple convex planar solid) with threads to human minds and more delicate tendrils searching for more minds in which to manifest.

The thoughtform in question seems to contain the thought "we are free" but there are undertones of programming.

Hence the title of the thread

[paul]

I was sitting with a woman the other day when she said that her adult daughter was having steroid injections in her neck. That seemed a bit alarming given the relatively young age of the daughter.

So I had a remote look at the daughter and saw some horizontal dark lines going into her upper spine but they did not seem enough to cause the problem.

Just then I saw (was shown) a dark entity like an octopus sitting on the daughter's head with a tentacle inside her spine going down to tail bones. That looked sufficient to cause the troubles so I pointed it out to the woman I was with and she could see it too.

So we got rid of the dark entity and that left a light passage down through the spine.

I met the woman again the next day and she complained that the previous day she did not want to do that work with the daughter. When I said I had wanted to help her daughter, she was somewhat embarrassed and said she did too, and that she had checked in the morning, seeing that the daughter's spine was still clear.

She travels several times a week to assist her daughter and grandchildren.

So from where did the thought come that she was upset taking a minute or two to clear a nasty entity from her daughter?

Obviously there was a problem of interference with her mind - that I had noticed on various occasions. So this time I had a look.

The mind is anchored in (uses) the layers/subplanes of the mental plane. The mind is conventionally divided into lower/personal mind and higher/soul mind. At the top of the personal mind is concealed a manipulative entity that I often term: the personal will.

So I looked into her mindspace on 5.4 (4th subplane of the 5th (mental) plane) and there was her Personal Will. I had engaged with it before and previously got on well with it. It seemed ok but perhaps a bit depressed.

So I looked around the mindspace for shiny or odd surfaces and there at the back was a sloping shiny surface. I stepped through it and found two large nasty entities pushing thoughts through the surface into the open part of the mind.

The entities had entered through the usual two tunnels in the concealed part of the mind. So I had a word with the entities and they went back up the tunnels - as they had the previous time I had met them. (The woman has asked for help previously)

I did not want them to come back yet again - so blocked their tunnels with white light, but after a while they started trying to erode the light - as they had done successfully last time.

Then I received the thought to put some interference at the far ends of the light blocks. I saw to put in a porous barrier with drainage into the Earth - asking the Earth Mother to deal with the flows.

Now the entities are still pushing on the light plugs but their pushing energy is just going down the drains.

A useful learning.

To my remote viewing the woman now has a nice flaring of flame above her head.

[paul]

>I looked into her mindspace

I thought this might be a bit scary - as if no one's mind were private.

Perhaps the mental process is self-censoring

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So...im just gonna jump in this topic wit a few questions that have recently came up in thought and writing..



When a snowflake falls...is it I that gains excitement or is it my humans excitement.


When a dog goes and lays in the grass does he worry of spiders, snakes etc...then why do "I"?

If I were to leave my human alone for an X amount of time, could he fend for himself?

Quite often on long drives that I am custom to ...."I" just disappear and I come back like an hour or so later.


Now could "leaving your human " be considered an act of dementia or alzheimers?

Much like that book, that person that was on the ship for too long to return back yo her planet.

[paul]

>When a snowflake falls...is it I that gains excitement or is it my humans excitement.

I was in tall trees the other day during rain and I noticed that the rain was quite different from in the city. In the city the rain falls on concrete and the concrete does not care - so the rain is alone.

The trees were interacting with the rain even when it was not falling directly on the trees. The rain could feel the energy of the trees.

Similarly human aliveness interacts energetically with falling snow flakes. It is the Spirit within the human that is active.

>When a dog goes and lays in the grass does he worry of spiders, snakes etc...then why do "I"?

My limited experience of snakes is that they are happy to be left alone. That probably works better when the human is at peace within.

>If I were to leave my human alone for an X amount of time, could he fend for himself?

The human is managed (until first stage enlightenment) by an intelligence that could be called the Personal Will. The spiritual part has to work hard to take over.

>Quite often on long drives that I am custom to ...."I" just disappear and I come back like an hour or so later.

I used to have that when I drove a van between branches of a department store. I would have no memory of a long stretch of highway.

The intelligence of the physical body, not only can ride a bicycle with no mental input, it can also drive a vehicle in simple situations without reference to the mind. The mind occupies itself in such situations

>Now could "leaving your human " be considered an act of dementia or alzheimers?

Both conditions involve the higher parts of the human losing contact with the brain, either because the brain is unsuitable for the mind or soul or because the soul has given up on the incarnation.

Driving on autopilot is not the same.

>Much like that book, that person that was on the ship for too long to return back yo her planet.

When you have completed your tour of duty (quite a few lifetimes) you will receive your new posting. As the song goes: If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with!

[Deleted]

Foxfires....
"-Why is water wet
why is sand dry
why is rust red
why are leaves green"


That's just it. Who says it is? Who are they(if "they" even exist truly), to say it is?

What's right anymore? Whats wrong anymore?

With what little time "i" have to "myself" without (as I said before) "running off to be alone, it becomes an agravation. I have wonderful seemingly caring men that tell me that I'm some thing from space that is supposed to share love or something along those lines, when all I feel is pain constantly from any and every damn direction. I don't get any of this and the harder I try the more it hurts. At times I convince myself that any of this may be true. When I'm polite, caring or showing love to another person it does make me feel a little better(momentarily) and I do see it sometimes (that look of affection that comes from anothers eyes during and after)and it's as almost I can feel the love from their hearts release from their eyes. But then I return to my miserable damn life and just wish it to be over soon. I do not wish to die but I'm sooooo damn tired anymore. Then I guess...much like paul(or you other guys) eventually I might have to be on more than one mission.... **** that! If I am part of some "source" that has came here, created some animals and things just to learn "feelings", or make some type if vehicle or whatever....I've had my fill 🤔.

I came, I saw, I failed miserably.

Paul said he only picks the weakest or the worse ones( however he worded it). I guess he likes his challenges. I don't. I will from time to time try that light heart exercise but I don't think that it's going to work too well from a rubber room. I'm going to start this day with a glass of dry water, go outside a d watch those rusty leaves turn sandy. May that solar being thing bless you guys for trying.

[sammy]

Apr 9, 2021 21:07:25 GMT 9.5 @aloneinthedark said:

Foxfires....
"-Why is water wet
why is sand dry
why is rust red
why are leaves green"


That's just it. Who says it is? Who are they(if "they" even exist truly), to say it is?

What's right anymore? Whats wrong anymore?

With what little time "i" have to "myself" without (as I said before) "running off to be alone, it becomes an agravation. I have wonderful seemingly caring men that tell me that I'm some thing from space that is supposed to share love or something along those lines, when all I feel is pain constantly from any and every damn direction. I don't get any of this and the harder I try the more it hurts. At times I convince myself that any of this may be true. When I'm polite, caring or showing love to another person it does make me feel a little better(momentarily) and I do see it sometimes (that look of affection that comes from anothers eyes during and after)and it's as almost I can feel the love from their hearts release from their eyes. But then I return to my miserable damn life and just wish it to be over soon. I do not wish to die but I'm sooooo damn tired anymore. Then I guess...much like paul(or you other guys) eventually I might have to be on more than one mission.... **** that! If I am part of some "source" that has came here, created some animals and things just to learn "feelings", or make some type if vehicle or whatever....I've had my fill 🤔.

I came, I saw, I failed miserably.

Paul said he only picks the weakest or the worse ones( however he worded it). I guess he likes his challenges. I don't. I will from time to time try that light heart exercise but I don't think that it's going to work too well from a rubber room. I'm going to start this day with a glass of dry water, go outside a d watch those rusty leaves turn sandy. May that solar being thing bless you guys for trying.

Welcome to being human! *snicker* That is all we are ever expected to be anyway, how could one be more then what you are?

I would not worry too much about how others think you should be or what you are... you know who you are and that is always good enough to keep walking.

Enjoy your rusty leaves! HAHA

[Deleted]

Apr 9, 2021 22:33:15 GMT 9.5 foxfires said:

read about the misery of gods chosen ones closely

job jesus jhona

Moses was the meekest human on planet Also most powerful man on planet ,., such comes from gettin the piss knocked outta ya as a newbie

So now comes an old joke of fella that got geini and genie granting 3 wishes BUT Subtitle wishery pool and the fella he hated got twice what he did !!!

Standard picks closet full of cash & gold
three lovely ladies devoted to him alone adept at all things house keeping - cooking wise and a chauffeur
third wish was to donate a kidney and a testicle to science

Earth summed up is breeding grounds for leviathons that soon for get sorrow loss remorse and anger
Meditation helps

Holy shit....I couldn't stop laughing!!! I didn't understand one freaking thing you just said but the pain was gone 💔 almost instantly! Oh, man I bet we could hang from time to time if I had a damn life! Well that was funny ( I hope it was meant to be( if not oooops). I thank you FF for that rather you meant it or not. I'm going to screenshot it and set it as my background.  🤪😝😅

[paul]

Apr 9, 2021 21:07:25 GMT 9.5 @aloneinthedark said:

...I'm sooooo damn tired

Running off personal will is very tiring.

I recall long ago in the spiritual community there was a new member - a blacksmith. I had told the incoming members that the deva (group being) of the community typically took 40 weeks to absorb a new member - it if accepted them at all.

Months later the blacksmith came to me and said that the absorption had occurred a few days earlier, 2 days before the 40 weeks, at 11:55 pm. He said that since then he had been running flat out all day with no fatigue at all.

In my view he had moved from running on his personality energy to being energized by the overlighting being of the community.

[Deleted]

As if I could take a week off from work, parenting or thinking....whaT would I do but go insane.

[Deleted]

Hahaha, yall gonna have me sitting in a rubber room surrounded by psychiatrists and therapist talking about how I'm gonna bring the wrath of God if I don't get fruitloops and toast for dinner!!

[Deleted]

Thank you Mr. Miyagi. I'm gonna go plant a bonsai tree now.

I mean truly. How could I have lost any knowledge that would be this important to me and not have any idea how to retrieve it? What if I would have never searched for freemasons or light or anything. Would I just keep dying 9ver and over and over? Even as a "light" being, I couldn't imagine signing up for something so dreadful....so willingly.

Perhaps understanding was never meant to be, or am "I" just here to learn "emotions " to take back to where ever the hell im from?

Man...

[Deleted]

My dreams. I've had only 4 or 5 dreams my entire life. I haven't had one in over 13 years. The few that did happen were so real that I am glad they stopped.