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Post by paul on Oct 15, 2011 8:49:24 GMT 9.5
Generally the human population recognises some experience of telepathy from remarkable coincidences of thought with close companions.
(If there antagonism the telepathy is inverted - with a tendency to opposite thoughts)
How do those humans that experience telepathy know when it is their own thought and when it is other?
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Post by paul on Oct 16, 2011 12:40:42 GMT 9.5
Are we waiting for a thought?
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Post by LorrB on Oct 17, 2011 9:00:01 GMT 9.5
I'm thinking about you knowing what am I thinking right now?  |
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Post by paul on Oct 18, 2011 7:51:14 GMT 9.5
Years ago I was at a radionics conference where David Tansley was speaking. www.amazon.com/Chakras-Radionics-David-V-Tansley/dp/0852071612 After he spoke I got up to ask a question about assessing karma when treating with radionics. I had the question worded quite precisely but part way through asking the question the words in my head changed to make the question somewhat ambiguous. I allowed the new words and proceeded with the modified question. He answered in terms of detecting the direction from which trauma occurred (e.g. a car accident). After the meeting I approached him and said that I had intended to ask about karma and he said he knew what I was after but did not wish to raise the subject in that conference. So whose thought was it that changed my question part way through the asking? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 16:51:19 GMT 9.5
Generally the human population recognises some experience of telepathy from remarkable coincidences of thought with close companions. Generally not. |
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Post by paul on Oct 18, 2011 17:56:38 GMT 9.5
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Post by stewart edwards on Oct 18, 2011 17:56:43 GMT 9.5
Generally the human population recognises some experience of telepathy from remarkable coincidences of thought with close companions. Generally not. Well in my circle of acquaintances it is not uncommon. The most visible everyday example is obviously couples newly in love when their energies open and mix. It has also been scientifically proven as I have explained before, using double blind tests with skeptical scientists trying (and failing) to disprove it, between dogs and humans. The CWFT has the details (but I should point out in fairness this is an animal rights charity who did fund a lot of it). Not dissimilar, though different mechanisms, to the feeling that people get that they are being watched. Smithee, it may be that you and your circle of acquaintances, are not sensitive enough to "feel" in this manner, but I can assure you that it is common even in ruralish England. OK people dont normally call it telepathy, but it is a common enough phenomenon. Should you ever decide to investigate this Smithee you may find that it is more common than you relalise. |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 18, 2011 19:22:45 GMT 9.5
Agreed: There is often a perception of meaningful coincidence which many have fancifully thought to involve telepathy ("Paul" misleadingly used the word "recognises" which implies it is a perception of something real). Such people are noticing and exaggerating coincidences where something happens soon after thinking of something related and not noticing or disregarding the many more times nothing happens when they have had similar thoughts (Remember Randi's Reward).
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Post by paul on Oct 18, 2011 19:32:15 GMT 9.5
Years ago I had to move a long plank through a very confined space. There was a fellow on the other end and I was instructing him how to move to coordinate with me. I found I could not speak fast enough to convey sufficiently detailed instructions so I changed to telepathy.
For each stage in the process I visualised what he should do and I found that he immediately picked up the image and carried out exactly what I intended. Five minutes later we were through without another word being spoken.
Telepathy is also useful for chairing meetings without being obvious. Generally no one guesses that it is not their thought they are acting on.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 18, 2011 19:33:42 GMT 9.5
The most visible everyday example is obviously couples newly in love when their energies open and mix. It has also been scientifically proven as I have explained before, using double blind tests with skeptical scientists trying (and failing) to disprove it, between dogs and humans. The CWFT has the details (but I should point out in fairness this is an animal rights charity who did fund a lot of it). I would need details to comment on this. Please provide a reference or a link (what is the CWFT?) (and RRR = Remember Randi's Reward). I would not be surprised to find something like the innocent misunderstanding involving Clever Hans to be at play in such "experiments". |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 18, 2011 19:44:53 GMT 9.5
Years ago I had to move a long plank through a very confined space. There was a fellow on the other end and I was instructing him how to move to coordinate with me. I found I could not speak fast enough to convey sufficiently detailed instructions so I changed to telepathy.
For each stage in the process I visualised what he should do and I found that he immediately picked up the image and carried out exactly what I intended. Five minutes later we were through without another word being spoken. I have found when moving awkward items it is often easier to just do it than to explain or instruct how it's done. |
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Post by stewart edwards on Oct 18, 2011 20:13:13 GMT 9.5
The most visible everyday example is obviously couples newly in love when their energies open and mix. It has also been scientifically proven as I have explained before, using double blind tests with skeptical scientists trying (and failing) to disprove it, between dogs and humans. The CWFT has the details (but I should point out in fairness this is an animal rights charity who did fund a lot of it). I would need details to comment on this. Please provide a reference or a link (what is the CWFT?) (and RRR = Remember Randi's Reward). I would not be surprised to find something like the innocent misunderstanding involving Clever Hans to be at play in such "experiments". Compassion in wildlife farming trust, they held a conference in London some years back where they presented the research (it was jam packed) Whether you believe it or not Tamrin does not really matter, scientists have tried to disprove it and failed, you could always email them asking for the research findings and then check with the scientists who like you were skeptical and who repeated the science tests and failed to disprove the research. (Admittedly I have not done this I took their word for it. It is a pity that you didnt attend that conference Tamrin for I am sure that it would have opened your eyes, or at least given you enormous amounts of scientific research, all properly done, double blind tests et all, to challenge and disprove). BTW having passed both academic and professional exams in statistics and econometrics Tamrin I am well aware of bias and coincidences. |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 18, 2011 20:40:15 GMT 9.5
Compassion in wildlife farming trust, they held a conference in London some years back where they presented the research (it was jam packed)
Whether you believe it or not Tamrin does not really matter, scientists have tried to disprove it and failed, you could always email them asking for the research findings and then check with the scientists who like you were skeptical and who repeated the science tests and failed to disprove the research. (Admittedly I have not done this I took their word for it. It is a pity that you didnt attend that conference Tamrin for I am sure that it would have opened your eyes, or at least given you enormous amounts of scientific research, all properly done, double blind tests et all, to challenge and disprove). I found nothing on CWFT (Compassion in wildlife farming trust). Do you mean CIWF (Compassion in World Farming)? On their interesting site they state: I expect that if they had anything on telepathy it would have rated a mention there along with sentience, intelligence, emotions, empathy, etc. Could it be that you are associating their research on empathy with telepathy? |
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Post by stewart edwards on Oct 18, 2011 21:01:19 GMT 9.5
Could it be that you are associating their research on empathy with telepathy? Ask them about the research into dogs Tamrin, specificly in respect of being able to read their owners minds, from great distances. I am not connected with them by the way, I have only ever attended that conference. But it was certainly a mind opener. Mind you it is nothing that many a dog or cat owner would not also tell you unscientificly. The difference is they had scientists test it, using scientific methods. |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 18, 2011 21:08:16 GMT 9.5
Another case of, The truth is out there! The ball is in your court.
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Post by Henka on Oct 18, 2011 21:23:41 GMT 9.5
Years ago I had to move a long plank through a very confined space. There was a fellow on the other end and I was instructing him how to move to coordinate with me. I found I could not speak fast enough to convey sufficiently detailed instructions so I changed to telepathy.
For each stage in the process I visualised what he should do and I found that he immediately picked up the image and carried out exactly what I intended. Five minutes later we were through without another word being spoken. I have found when moving awkward items it is often easier to just do it than to explain or instruct how it's done. I would say that Paul was distracting the fellow with his instructions, and, left to his own devices, was capable of figuring out what to do. It often distracts and angers people to be told how to do what they can clearly see what needs doing. |
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Post by stewart edwards on Oct 18, 2011 21:26:22 GMT 9.5
Another case of, The truth is out there! The ball is in your court. Tamrin I have told you where to go to find the scientific research that skeptical scientists themselves have reperformed and failed to disprove. There is little more that I can do. Or like the senior military officers, the policemen, the engineers, pilots etc in the ufo sphere, is it a case that no matter how hightly qualified, experienced or credible people are, if it doesn't fit in with your worldview it cant be true? Come on Tamrin, investigate the hidden mysteries. Paul, what you wrote about chairing meetings, ethically does that not bother you? |
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Post by paul on Oct 19, 2011 5:44:27 GMT 9.5
... Paul, what you wrote about chairing meetings, ethically does that not bother you? In the case I described all present knew that I was supposed to chair the meeting. No one commented that I had not said a word. The ethical part perhaps is the intent of the telepathy. Telepathy itself is all-pervading - being a result of how the mind is formed out of the noosphere. |
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Post by paul on Oct 19, 2011 5:46:40 GMT 9.5
....I would say that Paul was distracting the fellow with his instructions, and, left to his own devices, was capable of figuring out what to do. .. At the time, given the complexity of the coordination task, that approach was abandoned after a few seconds. |
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Post by tamrin on Oct 19, 2011 6:12:34 GMT 9.5
Another case of, The truth is out there! The ball is in your court. I'm sorry I thought you were trying to make a point by offering some evidence. You haven't even confirmed if the organization I tracked down is the one you blithely mentioned by a different name. As it stands, I could go to a lot of effort and find nothing (and, judging from your track record reporting items here, I'm guessing it would indeed be a wild goose chase). Still, my finding nothing would not prove the research does not exist (absence of evidence, etc.). If you wish to make a point, you need to back it up. I am interested, as such research has the potential, if solid, to turn much of the intellectual understanding of the world on its head (but I'm not holding my breath). |
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