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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 13:13:27 GMT 9.5
Stop prevaricating. Just tell us what you mean instead of beating about the bush. Either you have something meaningful to say or you do not.
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Post by paul on Oct 1, 2011 13:51:15 GMT 9.5
prevaricate [prɪˈværɪˌkeɪt] vb (intr) to speak or act falsely or evasively with intent to deceive [from Latin praevāricārī to walk crookedly, from prae beyond + vāricare to straddle the legs; compare Latin vā bent] I have no intent to deceive. Mark 4:25 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 1, 2011 16:12:17 GMT 9.5
I have no intent to deceive. Nor to inform.
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Post by paul on Oct 1, 2011 16:58:01 GMT 9.5
So which component might the human race be?
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Post by tamrin on Oct 1, 2011 17:58:26 GMT 9.5
Two can play this game, so I'll ask you: So which component might the human race be? Tell us what YOU have in mind and we can take it from there.
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Post by paul on Oct 1, 2011 19:15:32 GMT 9.5
My own views have never been of much use to others - as can be seen in any number of threads.
I am sure however that Masonry must have some view as to the value of the human race to the temple in the heavens.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 1, 2011 19:53:21 GMT 9.5
My own views have never been of much use to others - as can be seen in any number of threads.
I am sure however that Masonry must have some view as to the value of the human race to the temple in the heavens. What is that view of which you are sure?
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Post by paul on Oct 2, 2011 6:04:38 GMT 9.5
Here is half a clue to the role of man and (with the other half) it explains why there are five and not 4,6 or 7 points of fellowship
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Post by tamrin on Oct 2, 2011 8:13:55 GMT 9.5
Here is half a clue to the role of man and (with the other half) it explains why there are five and not 4,6 or 7 points of fellowship So you DO have something in mind. In which case why only clues? If you have something to say, SAY it.
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Post by paul on Oct 2, 2011 8:23:29 GMT 9.5
It is the way of Masonry. The study of the hidden mysteries of nature and science is a necessary prelude to the true raising.
Yet who undertakes such a study?
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Post by tamrin on Oct 2, 2011 13:47:21 GMT 9.5
It is the way of Masonry. I could not disagree more vehemently. The way of masonry is NOT to obfuscate! We investigate the hidden mysteries with mutual assistance as well as by our own endeavors. We do not try to tease our Brethren. We share! As far as lies in our power, we meet on the level, act on the plumb and part on the square. Consider the duties of the Principal Sojourner, " ...to bring the blind by a way that they know not; to lead them in paths they have not known; to make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight."
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Post by paul on Oct 2, 2011 13:55:37 GMT 9.5
So what is the way that the blind know not?
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Post by tamrin on Oct 2, 2011 14:05:15 GMT 9.5
So what is the way that the blind know not? Tell us what YOU have in mind and we can take it from there.
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Post by paul on Oct 2, 2011 15:42:13 GMT 9.5
There are various concepts that must be acquired and made operative in the consciousness before the place of the human can be observed. I have introduced most of those concepts in various threads, but it rather seems that those concepts tend to attract Tamrin alerts.
There is enough in those threads so that I might say: Si talia jungere possis sit tibi scire satis - "If thou canst comprehend these things, thou knowest enough"
For those not in Holy Royal Arch, the above is a quote. It is the only place in Masonry, as far as I know, where any limit is prescribed to the required knowledge.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 2, 2011 16:57:08 GMT 9.5
Where were you intending your questions to lead in this instance? There are various concepts that must be acquired and made operative in the consciousness before the place of the human can be observed. What have YOU observed?
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Post by paul on Oct 2, 2011 17:15:28 GMT 9.5
My questions are generally intended to lead to a process of discovery. There is plenty to go on with.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 2, 2011 17:18:18 GMT 9.5
It is the way of Masonry. The study of the hidden mysteries of nature and science is a necessary prelude to the true raising. Yet who undertakes such a study? Me. Even though it would be difficult to say that I studied it for I simply bumbled and stumbled my way through it. Tamrin, I hear what you say about mutual support and I am not doubting you. But in my personal experience it is my (possibly incorrect) impression that many masons appear to see this as being no more than a phrase in the second which is then largely forgotten about. I wonder if you would be willing to state a hidden mystery in either nature or science and explain how you would support a brother in a Craft lodge (specifically Craft) investigate it.
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Post by tamrin on Oct 2, 2011 20:56:16 GMT 9.5
My questions are generally intended to lead to a process of discovery. There is plenty to go on with. Discovery for whom?
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Post by tamrin on Oct 2, 2011 21:12:45 GMT 9.5
I wonder if you would be willing to state a hidden mystery in either nature or science and explain how you would support a brother in a Craft lodge (specifically Craft) investigate it. I am a member of several masonic research organizations, in which we are all eager to share and assist in our mutual discoveries, chiefly the SRIS Hunter Valley College, The Newcastle Masonic Study Circle, The Australian Centre for Fraternalism, and the NSW Discovery Lodge of Research. I attended a research symposium in Goulburn last weekend, organized by the lodge, and among the subjects was, "The influence of esoteric thought on Freemasonry in NSW and ACT" (afterwards I emailed attachments of interest to a couple of the speakers to further their studies in specific areas). Re myself, see as an example this 2009 talk of mine to the Victorian Lodge of Research, of which I am also a member: The Masonic Marianne. Take a look at The Quarry Masonic Forum, especially Featured Themes. I don't think I could be trying much harder to directly share what insights I have discovered. Even those mysteries which are ineffable, I say so and still try to at least outline what I'm trying to share. As for hidden mysteries, there is none greater than that of Unity or the Mystic Tie, as we say, the One Life, the One Mind of which we are all expressions. Something I have spoken about at length here.
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Post by stewartedwards on Oct 2, 2011 22:07:33 GMT 9.5
Hi Tamrin, thank you for all of this, but I wonder if you thought I was challenging as to whether you did it, when I was simply looking to see how you do it in a Craft lodge I wonder if you would be willing to state a hidden mystery in either nature or science and explain how you would support a brother in a Craft lodge (specifically Craft) investigate it. I am a member of several masonic research organizations, in which we are all eager to share and assist in our mutual discoveries, chiefly the SRIS Hunter Valley College, The Newcastle Masonic Study Circle, The Australian Centre for Fraternalism, and the NSW Discovery Lodge of Research. I attended a research symposium in Goulburn last weekend, organized by the lodge, and among the subjects was, "The influence of esoteric thought on Freemasonry in NSW and ACT" (afterwards I emailed attachments of interest to a couple of the speakers to further their studies in specific areas). Re myself, see as an example this 2009 talk of mine to the Victorian Lodge of Research, of which I am also a member: The Masonic Marianne. Take a look at The Quarry Masonic Forum, especially Featured Themes. I don't think I could be trying much harder to directly share what insights I have discovered. Even those mysteries which are ineffable, I say so and still try to at least outline what I'm trying to share. But in Craft lodge, you presumably tell people in their 2nd to go and investigate. How do you help them before they are raised in this regard? So how would you help a fellowcraft explore this if he chose to and came to you for guidance before his third?
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