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Post by stewart edwards on Sept 2, 2011 21:40:31 GMT 9.5
Meant to say, also I am hopeful that the human race can learnt to leave puberty this century. And then there would be no war at least between humans.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 2, 2011 21:40:42 GMT 9.5
The Scottish SRIS (Societas Rosicruciana in Scotia) not the English SRIA (SR in Anglia). We are however in amity and our work is the same. I take being described as "mundane" as a compliment, although many of my Fraters would be surprised by the description.
I recall in the preamble to an AMORC publication (we are NOT in amity with them), "Great Women Initiates", the author describing how she always felt a cold remoteness (or words to that effect) in the presence of high degree initiates of male only Orders, which she put down to segregation; I think it more likely that they too were simply being "mundane" in comparison with her enthusiasm for fantasies (sadly, I lent the book, it was never returned and it wasn't worth replacing)
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Post by stewart edwards on Sept 2, 2011 22:38:44 GMT 9.5
I recall in the preamble to an AMORC publication (we are NOT in amity with them), "Great Women Initiates", the author describing how she always felt a cold remoteness (or words to that effect) in the presence of high degree initiates of male only Orders, which she put down to segregation; I think it more likely that they too were were simply being "mundane" in comparison with her enthusiasm for fantasies (sadly, I lent the book, it was never returned and it wasn't worth replacing) Alternatively she may possibly have been feeling at an energy level, the separation of masculine and feminine energies. It takes quite some skill to feel the difference and to balance them. Something that is entirely possible even for us men ;D The thing about fantasies Tamrin is that they can do come true. Jules vernes Paris inthe 20th century was rejected by published in the 19th century for being fantasy - yet when time passed those fax machines and electric street lights appeared. With specific regard to the alien phenomenon, it is entrenched throughout human history, and as Nick Pope says on his website (he is the ex UK defense chappy who went from skeptic to believer after doing the job of handling the public) there is lots of evidence but no proof. Now Stanton Friedman the Nuclear physicist would say proof? There is sufficient proof for a court of law "balance of probabilities or beyond reasonable doubt" Nick is fairly good at responding (and his public speeches are also showing less reservedness on the issue of ufos being real - remember he once took an abductee to speak at a conference), and Stanton is also a quick responder. Email them. You will notice that Stanton is much more forthright than Nick but in their own ways both are experts, with relevant work experience. Finally please do read UFOs by Leslie Keen, it is probably the most authoritative up to date book on ufos, including details of governmental investigations, pilots trying to shoot craft down etc. I even think to keep LoraB happy that there was a major ufo incident at Denver airport which left the US authorities exposed
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Post by tamrin on Sept 3, 2011 6:30:13 GMT 9.5
Stewart,
I don't believe in the tooth fairy either and I am not going to go to the trouble of testing that rational disbelief by searching all available fields (it's a logical impossibility to prove an unbounded negative). The onus of proof lies with any person asserting that the tooth fairy exists to back it up with specific evidence (not simply, "Go out there and find out for yourself"). I have been over "evidence" for extra-terrestrial UFOs before, even with you, and it has always been found wanting. If you have specific evidence, lay it out (names, dates and places) and I will consider it. Better, apply to James Randi for his million dollar reward.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 3, 2011 6:51:01 GMT 9.5
I recall in the preamble to an AMORC publication (we are NOT in amity with them), "Great Women Initiates", the author describing how she always felt a cold remoteness (or words to that effect) in the presence of high degree initiates of male only Orders, which she put down to segregation; I think it more likely that they too were were simply being "mundane" in comparison with her enthusiasm for fantasies (sadly, I lent the book, it was never returned and it wasn't worth replacing) Alternatively she may possibly have been feeling at an energy level, the separation of masculine and feminine energies. It takes quite some skill to feel the difference and to balance them. Something that is entirely possible even for us men ;DI have studied the subject in depth, but that is another story.
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Post by cwhite on Sept 3, 2011 8:17:11 GMT 9.5
Wow! Nice thread!
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Post by Chutzpah on Sept 3, 2011 11:46:25 GMT 9.5
in UGLE it is the definition of a True freemason in its primary tenet. Is it? What about tolerance of intolerance? What about tolerance of evil? What about tolerance of tyranny? Etc.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 3, 2011 16:23:26 GMT 9.5
in UGLE it is the definition of a True freemason in its primary tenet. Is it? What about tolerance of intolerance? What about tolerance of evil? What about tolerance of tyranny? Etc.There is an excellent paper by W. Bro. C. Shawn Oak, The Intolerance of "Intolerance"
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Post by tamrin on Sept 3, 2011 22:30:44 GMT 9.5
I recall in the preamble to an AMORC publication..., "Great Women Initiates", the author describing how she always felt a cold remoteness (or words to that effect) in the presence of high degree initiates of male only Orders... CORRECTION: The term was "great emptiness" not "cold remoteness". I recalled a submission of mine to Grand Lodge dated 27th January 1989 in which I quoted from page nine of the 1984 book by Helene Bernard and was able to locate a copy of that submission. What I quoted was:
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Post by tamrin on Sept 3, 2011 22:53:36 GMT 9.5
I could not make war, for that is a very fast route to darkness. This is not a physical war but an abstract war of ideas: Between the real and the unreal; between truth and falsehood; between light and darkness (masonic light is knowledge). Part of the text associated with the duty of a Knight Kadosh reads: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
Ephesians 6:12
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Post by tamrin on Sept 3, 2011 23:00:08 GMT 9.5
Meant to say, also I am hopeful that the human race can learnt to leave puberty this century. And then there would be no war at least between humans. For that to happen we need to put aside infantile ideas: When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things
I Corinthians 13:11
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Post by paul on Sept 4, 2011 7:48:11 GMT 9.5
......For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.... So how do you see this working? Are there demons everywhere? Who are the not flesh rulers?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 4, 2011 10:01:28 GMT 9.5
......For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.... So how do you see this working?
Are there demons everywhere?
Who are the not flesh rulers?My take is that this was a "psychological" allusion which predated our modern language for that science. I suggest there are no "real" entities referred to in the verse: They are abstract imagining, falsehoods and vanities (e.g. giants, aliens, unicorns, etc.); further layers of memetic delusions added to those of our routine lives and further adding to the illusion of separation. Mind you, these memetic falsehoods can have very real consequences if acted upon.
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Post by paul on Sept 4, 2011 10:24:15 GMT 9.5
So was St Paul's message that we only do battle against ourselves?
That we are the spiritual wickedness in high places?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 4, 2011 10:49:41 GMT 9.5
So was St Paul's message that we only do battle against ourselves? Not "only" (as John Donne said, "No man is an island"). Memetic falsehoods are by definition rife in society and by doing nothing to expose them as being phantoms of our own deluded imaginings, by sitting back smugly while these notions proliferate and spread, we share in the responsibility for the harm they do. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
(commonly attributed to Edmund Burke)
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Post by paul on Sept 4, 2011 11:37:52 GMT 9.5
Mathew "8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters."
So when Jesus cast out devils into a herd of swine, that too was memetic falsehoods?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 4, 2011 12:13:25 GMT 9.5
Mathew "8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters."
So when Jesus cast out devils into a herd of swine, that too was memetic falsehoods? Who can say? It's going back a long time and relying on a fable-laden text. However, applying reason we may put supernatural interpretations to one side. More likely (if Jesus existed, which is a big "if"), it may have been a way of addressing an memetic falsehood (i.e., demonic possession) with a bit of dramatic stage management to provide a placebo effect. Alternatively it might be a pesher or an interpolation.
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Post by paul on Sept 4, 2011 12:35:45 GMT 9.5
Would you say then that any cases of possession (by another entity) ever occur?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 4, 2011 12:52:05 GMT 9.5
Would you say then that any cases of possession (by another entity) ever occur? Our mind remains our own and we retain ultimate responsibility for our thoughts and our actions arising from them, (even in cases of hypnosis).
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Post by paul on Sept 4, 2011 17:19:43 GMT 9.5
So there are no intelligent entities or devices capable of taking over a human mind or brain?
Not even the stimceiver from the 1950s that was so effective on that bull?
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