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Post by LorrB on Sept 12, 2011 12:05:29 GMT 9.5
One of my friends is an anesthetist and he told me that while they know anesthetics works they don't how/why it works.
Theosophical writings (can't give you names, times, places, etc Tamrin - too long ago) said that anesthetics worked by pushing the etheric body out of the body temporarily and that was why there is no sense of time lost/passing when one becomes conscious again.
Out one second back the next.
We stun animals when we want to work on them, if there are ET's why wouldn't they do the same thing to us?
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Post by tamrin on Sept 12, 2011 12:17:33 GMT 9.5
There are many mundane possibilities: We do not need to invoke aliens to account for someone losing track of time
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Post by paul on Sept 12, 2011 12:20:36 GMT 9.5
Which is a subjective observation on your part... Actually it was observed by the meditation group - both in the before and after mode. If you watch carefully you will see many people with their etheric bodies displaced. The first time it happened to me was during a very deep meditation. When I went to lunch afterwards I was quite clumsy with the etheric (physical sensate) body a half inch away from the physical form. My physical hands were not quite where they felt to be. As you can see the woman in the meditation group who did not want that fixed was putting up with significant discomfort.
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Post by Henka on Sept 12, 2011 12:23:16 GMT 9.5
I've lost track of time listening to music. Pretty sure it wasn't alien induced.
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Post by paul on Sept 12, 2011 12:23:27 GMT 9.5
.... anesthetics worked by pushing the etheric body out of the body temporarily and that was why there is no sense of time lost/passing when one becomes conscious again..... I had not spotted that. The displacement of the etheric body then was consistent with her account of lost time.
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Post by paul on Sept 12, 2011 12:24:14 GMT 9.5
I've lost track of time listening to music. Pretty sure it wasn't alien induced. Perhaps it is worth reading some of the posts carefully.
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Post by Henka on Sept 12, 2011 12:25:32 GMT 9.5
I've lost track of time listening to music. Pretty sure it wasn't alien induced. Perhaps it is worth reading some of the posts carefully. My reading comprehension is quite up to par, thank you.
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Post by tamrin on Sept 12, 2011 12:25:57 GMT 9.5
Any way on her return to Australia she recounted this and I noticed her etheric body was displaced about an inch - the greatest displacement I had seen. She said that that had happened during her walk.
I asked her if she wanted me to line up her bodies but she declined.
A week or two later we had a meditation and afterwards I noticed her bodies had realigned so asked her about it. She said that during the meditation something had come and slipped in through the gap and immediately the bodies realigned. So now the whole meditation group observed this. Go figure!?
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Post by Henka on Sept 12, 2011 12:26:44 GMT 9.5
Which is a subjective observation on your part... Actually it was observed by the meditation group - both in the before and after mode. If you watch carefully you will see many people with their etheric bodies displaced. The first time it happened to me was during a very deep meditation. When I went to lunch afterwards I was quite clumsy with the etheric (physical sensate) body a half inch away from the physical form. My physical hands were not quite where they felt to be. As you can see the woman in the meditation group who did not want that fixed was putting up with significant discomfort. You guys need to learn to ground properly. That is why we have Cakes and Ale after Wiccan ritual.
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Post by Henka on Sept 12, 2011 12:30:20 GMT 9.5
I have done plenty of work on the Inner Planes. You guys seem to be wandering about willy-nilly in these group meditations. Do you even do so within a cast circle? There are entities out there that do not like we puny humans, you know.
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Post by Henka on Sept 12, 2011 12:32:13 GMT 9.5
I may seem to be giving you and Lorr a hard time, but I do have experience. It makes me cringe to read about your adventures in the otherworlds sometimes.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 12, 2011 13:13:10 GMT 9.5
Actually it was observed by the meditation group - both in the before and after mode. If you watch carefully you will see many people with their etheric bodies displaced. The first time it happened to me was during a very deep meditation. When I went to lunch afterwards I was quite clumsy with the etheric (physical sensate) body a half inch away from the physical form. My physical hands were not quite where they felt to be. As you can see the woman in the meditation group who did not want that fixed was putting up with significant discomfort. You guys need to learn to ground properly. That is why we have Cakes and Ale after Wiccan ritual. ... and why Freemasons have festive boards!
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Post by LorrB on Sept 12, 2011 13:30:05 GMT 9.5
I have done plenty of work on the Inner Planes. You guys seem to be wandering about willy-nilly in these group meditations. Do you even do so within a cast circle? There are entities out there that do not like we puny humans, you know. What do you call these entities? Obviously non-human. You could refer to them as alien to us ??
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Post by Henka on Sept 12, 2011 13:45:37 GMT 9.5
I have done plenty of work on the Inner Planes. You guys seem to be wandering about willy-nilly in these group meditations. Do you even do so within a cast circle? There are entities out there that do not like we puny humans, you know. What do you call these entities? Obviously non-human. You could refer to them as alien to us ?? You could, but it would be stretching the concept to call them aliens as in extraterrestrial biological entities. I am referring to non-corporeal entities.
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Post by LorrB on Sept 13, 2011 8:17:46 GMT 9.5
What makes you think that extra-terrestrial entities have the same corporeal form as we do?
If their planets or part of the Universe are composed differently to Earth then it is obvious that their constitution would need to be compatible with their home.
And talking about non corporeal ... what makes you think that we can see all planets?
We are said to be 'fourth density' in some writings, maybe we can only see other fourth density material.
Some creations, like water, have the ability to change form, from solid to liquid to gas to the invisible. Maybe this ability is more widespread than we realise.
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Post by paul on Sept 13, 2011 8:24:20 GMT 9.5
What makes you think that extra-terrestrial entities have the same corporeal form as we do? Quite a lot of abduction accounts include moving through walls. This suggests that the physical forms involved are managed and not fixed.
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 13, 2011 21:16:25 GMT 9.5
I think that Paul recommended a while back that people read Witnessed by Budd Hopkins. It has been some years since I read this book, but Pauls words had me dig out my copy and I flicked to an appendix that deals with the attacks on the account. Pulling simply from these few pages we have:-
1. Linda - the abductee, who was examined by the psychiatrist with extensive experience in the field, John Mack, and he confirmed her credibility and mental stability.
2. Richard and Dan who wrote to Budd about what they saw from the security services and a third man they were protecting (international politician).
3. Janets independent eyewitness account form Brooklyn Bridge
4. And I quote at this point "unrelated witnesses at three different locations could see three aliens and a human abductee floating twelve stories above the street" (just think about that for a moment)
5. Lindas children and husband.
6. Erica an uptown witness who saw the ufo at 3am
7. Lisa the doctor who removed Lindas nasal implant
8. Joseph a law enforcement officer watch Linda being watched
9. Cathy an eyewitness to the ufo
10.Franchesca a tennant in thebuilding who saw the light
11. Marlyn another witness
etc
Now some only saw the ufo, several saw the abuction take place form a 12 story window, some of these are police/government security personnel.
If memory serves me correctly one of these government agents has himself been abducted and that night may have been done specifically for the benefit of the global politician to make a point.
Psychiatrists and doctors have investigated, the Roman Catholic church was there to support, multiple independent credible witnesses in good solid jobs.
Makes me pause for thought.
Must reread the book again when I have time.
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Post by cwhite on Sept 13, 2011 21:37:37 GMT 9.5
Please watch this in its entirety, it explains most of the theories. William Cooper, retired high-level Naval intelligence. When I watched it, it "felt" like he spoke the truth. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op1vxW_g2-Y
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Post by cwhite on Sept 13, 2011 21:41:28 GMT 9.5
"Quite a lot of abduction accounts include moving through walls. This suggests that the physical forms involved are managed and not fixed."
I feel that its just a mastery of electromagnetic bio-fields. I think if you could master "Fulcanelli's method", then you could do it too...
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Post by stewartedwards on Sept 14, 2011 0:20:02 GMT 9.5
Cwhite
At a conceptuallevel it is easy to visualise for as we are taught in school an atom contains a small dense core (that science now postulates is itself actually not all that dense and is full of space, surrounded by a much larger ring of electrons. OK I know that this is simplified conceptual school stuff, but it does help visualisation of how slid matter could pass through solid matter.
1. We have a person whois largely made up of empty space, just happens to look and feel solid.
2. We have a window, made of glass. Or brick wall or whatever you like.
3. When contact between the two objects is made, the atomic force of the object maintains the shape and we have a collision.
4. Now if you accept that both objects are largely empty space, all you need to do is find a way of lowering the atomic energy that binds the atoms togetehr to enable one object to pass through another. Clearly while being able to restrengthen it again at the other side.
OK beyond the understanding of current science, but at a conceptual level, school physics explanation of the structre of the atoms that make things, it is visualisable. It is merely a case of being able to change atomic energy connectively levels to allow penetration while being able to reconstruct at the other end. Merely he says!!!!
Go on pick up a school physics textbook and look at how much empty space is in each atom, and that is all we are made of at a physical level.
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