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Post by Henka on Dec 13, 2011 2:40:38 GMT 9.5
Shall I say that Blavatsky's primary sponsor is well known to you? St. Germain? *snort* You'll have to do better than that.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 5:56:39 GMT 9.5
St. Germain? *snort* You'll have to do better than that. Not who I was referring to. The case in point is an example of operational and relational - using standard dictionary meanings.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 6:32:23 GMT 9.5
It would help me to understand what you are trying to get across if I knew what you meant by "operational and relational."
Operational could be relating to a specific function. Relational could describe how two things are correlated or how they interact. A little clarity would help me out a lot.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 7:25:22 GMT 9.5
Operational means not speculation but action. For example, the use of the knocks to call the lodge to order.
Relational means having the right relationships to achieve the outcomes intended by the action. For example, being recognised by the lodge as having the authority to call the lodge to order.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 10:00:26 GMT 9.5
Do these actions have demonstrable results? I mean, other than opening a meeting of the lodge. Many organizations have similar procedures, even the American Legion and many MC's (just to show the wide divergence). Relational in this context would only be in recognition of one's authority being secured by a vote of the members of the lodge.
Where are you going with this?
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 10:46:41 GMT 9.5
Do these actions have demonstrable results? I mean, other than opening a meeting of the lodge. Certainly they do. It is not a trivial example but a direct entry.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 10:54:30 GMT 9.5
Without letting the cat out of the bag with the actual methods, what were the results?
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 11:04:08 GMT 9.5
Genesis 1 26 And God saith, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth.
Note ruling over the fish in the sea and the fowl of the air.
For example I know a fish farmer who regular catches, from the rocks, rare fish from the ocean and unusually large specimens - as if they come specially for him. He has done that for decades on several continents. He also breeds difficult fish when all others fail.
The underlying mechanism is relationship.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 11:06:18 GMT 9.5
I am a good shot with a scattergun and decent fisherman. What does that have to do with Masonry. In any examination will should first rule out the most likely before we jump to conclusions.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 11:10:49 GMT 9.5
I suggest consideration of the work of the FC. It is the "sine qua non" for the genuine secrets.
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 13:01:00 GMT 9.5
Brother, you could approach me in a manner that assumes that I am a well schooled Master Mason.
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 13:11:11 GMT 9.5
Brother, you could approach me in a manner that assumes that I am a well schooled Master Mason. Unfortunately being a well schooled MM is not entirely a satisfactory situation. How then to step forward?
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Post by brandt on Dec 13, 2011 13:31:30 GMT 9.5
From where do you derive your credentials?
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Post by paul on Dec 13, 2011 14:25:36 GMT 9.5
I am not sure that credentials will help.
Nevertheless, the marking with a seal in 18th may suggest a means of testing me.
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Post by LorrB on Dec 13, 2011 14:49:39 GMT 9.5
Brother, you could approach me in a manner that assumes that I am a well schooled Master Mason. Do you mean you were taught everything you know about Freemasonry?
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Post by brandt on Dec 14, 2011 6:17:02 GMT 9.5
I was taught and I learned.
When the 18th degree is mentioned, can I assume that is the 18th degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite?
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Post by paul on Dec 14, 2011 6:51:26 GMT 9.5
Scottish
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Post by brandt on Dec 14, 2011 7:49:18 GMT 9.5
Which "Scottish?" That contained within Memphis-Misraim? It couldn't be the Rectified Scottish Rite which does not have an 18th degree.
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Post by paul on Dec 14, 2011 8:17:02 GMT 9.5
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Post by brandt on Dec 14, 2011 8:36:08 GMT 9.5
I am familiar with the 18th degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite having received it myself.
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