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Post by paul on Mar 18, 2012 6:44:28 GMT 9.5
The moon wasn't captured. That is pretty much agreed. The difficulty is that the Moon is commonly reported as much older than the Earth - hence probably came from elsewhere. "The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older." www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_16.htmThe best way out of this is to claim that the Earth is much older too but all the older Earth rocks have got lost - melted (no sign of maria on Earth) or buried (the whole surface of the planet gone and never found again). This is a bit like the dog ate my homework but is that best that can be managed whilst still maintaining that the Moon was formed where it is now. The evidence of the Uranium 236 can be coped with by postulating some ancient war with the protagonists long gone. The presence of the U 236 cannot be regarded as natural as that again suggests that the Moon did not originate here. Perhaps we get some sense of why the Moon - a dead planetoid - is one of the lights of the lodge. Is it the work of our ancient brethren?
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Post by brandt on Mar 19, 2012 4:11:53 GMT 9.5
I think that you may want to compare that with other sources Brother.
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Post by paul on Mar 19, 2012 5:31:24 GMT 9.5
It is certainly true that isotopic dating requires a careful selection of measurements. This is an ongoing problem for Earth dating also.
Nevertheless there are much other data. For example the presence of Neptunium 237 on the Moon again suggests technical intervention.
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Post by brandt on Mar 19, 2012 5:56:15 GMT 9.5
Brother, I recommend caution in making statements like that. The moon is not an alien artifact put there by aliens. It is a natural phenomenon. The best evidence points to that and the best evidence also explains the moon's origin. It isn't necessary to mythologize it.
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Post by paul on Mar 19, 2012 8:14:10 GMT 9.5
I don't think there is anything mythological about the presence of Uranium 236 and Neptunium 237 on the Moon. Neither appear in nature - as far as we can tell from observing the Earth. "The theory was put forth by two members of the then Soviet Academy of Sciences, Michael Vasin and Alexander Shcherbakov, in a July 1970 article entitled "Is the Moon the Creation of Alien Intelligence?"." www.facebook.com/pages/Vasin-Shcherbakov-Theory/136411459714636?sk=wiki
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Post by brandt on Mar 19, 2012 9:37:14 GMT 9.5
I have heard the fanciful tales. There is much stronger evidence to the contrary.
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Post by paul on Mar 19, 2012 9:57:56 GMT 9.5
There is much stronger evidence to the contrary. So there are two cases at least. Perhaps more evidence will be accrued. Meanwhile here is one of the moons of Jupiter. No town planning there.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 19, 2012 11:07:56 GMT 9.5
The Soviets have a history of being open to information and knowledge no matter where it leads. The USA are always playing catch up in that area.
At least the Russians are not afraid to ask the question and look for answers.
Western society won't even consider the question, let alone looking at evidence. Pity.
(and wasn't it the Indian scientists who discovered water on the moon?)
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Post by LorrB on Mar 19, 2012 11:25:10 GMT 9.5
Maybe tales like these might tell us a little of how our part of the Universe was formed... In ancient Roman religion and myth, Saturn (Latin: Saturnus) was a major god presiding over agriculture and the harvest time. His reign was depicted as a Golden Age of abundance and peace by many Roman authors. In medieval times he was known as the Roman god of agriculture, justice and strength. He held a sickle in his left hand and a bundle of wheat in his right. His mother was Terra and his father was Caelus.
Saturn's wife was Ops (the Roman equivalent of Rhea) and Saturn was the father of Ceres, Jupiter, Veritas, Pluto, Neptune, and Juno, among others. Saturn had a temple on the Forum Romanum which contained the Royal Treasury. Saturn is the namesake of both Saturn, the planet, and Saturday (dies Saturni).
He was identified in classical antiquity with the Greek deity Cronus, and the mythologies of the two gods are commonly mixed. In Hesiod's Theogony, a mythological account of the creation of the universe and Zeus' rise to power, Cronus is mentioned as the son of Uranus (the Greek equivalent of Roman Caelus), the heavens, and Gaia (the Greek equivalent of Terra), the earth. Hesiod is an early Greek poet and rhapsode, who presumably lived around 700 BC. He writes that Cronus seizes power, castrating and overthrowing his father Uranus. However, it was foretold that one day a mighty son of Cronus would in turn overthrow him, and Cronus devoured all of his children when they were born to prevent this. Cronus's wife, Rhea (often identified with the Roman goddess Ops), hid her sixth child, Zeus, on the island of Crete, and offered Cronus a large stone wrapped in swaddling clothes in his place; Cronus promptly devoured it. Zeus later overthrew Cronus and the other Titans, becoming the new supreme ruler of the cosmos. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_(mythology)As well as eating 'children' they also spat them out.
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Post by brandt on Mar 19, 2012 14:12:00 GMT 9.5
Are we going to get on another bash the west kick?
No Paul, I see no town planning on the photo of one of Jupiter's moons either. What am I supposed to be seeing. I did note that there were no cities or little green men. What am I supposed to see.
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Post by paul on Mar 19, 2012 14:33:22 GMT 9.5
As you may have noticed there are long grooves across Europa that do not immediately seem to relate to the processes of forming that moon. For example our Moon does not have those, even though existing in a similar environment. And the anomalous groves exist at finer levels too. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080514131133.htmSee how many intersections you can find where 3 grooves meet.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 19, 2012 15:53:29 GMT 9.5
Are we going to get on another bash the west kick? ..not bashing, just an observation, which may be incorrect. Just sayin'
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Post by cwhite on Mar 20, 2012 4:48:19 GMT 9.5
I would like to postulate a theory on the origin of the moon. I think that it is the result of a huge coronal mass ejection. It could almost explain the presence of the bizarre elements found on the moon.
What led me to this idea?
I seen the story of Adam and Eve as a solar-myth. Adam and Lilith were created from the same material, the same source. Adam and Lilith represent our sun and the black sun (Lilith was said to be "barren", but in Hebrew it's the same as "darkness"). In my opinion, Adam Kadamon was perfect because of his union with Lilith, not Eve.
When matter is created, anti-matter is created as well. I'd assume, when the sun was created, an equal and opposite one was as well. One creating life and light, the other darkness and death. The 6 and the 9.
Lilith was cast out because she was not submissive to Adam. All planets in our system submit to the power of one, the center of their universe.
Eve would be the moon. Born from the side of Adam, born of the sun. Part of her IS him. She ate the apple from the tree of knowledge, which is why the moon is associated with wisdom.
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Post by paul on Mar 20, 2012 7:41:42 GMT 9.5
I would like to postulate a theory on the origin of the moon. I think that it is the result of a huge coronal mass ejection. . Usually a coronal ejection contains relatively little mass: "A coronal mass ejection (CME) is a massive burst of solar wind, other light isotope plasma, and magnetic fields rising above the solar corona or being released into space" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection But even if such an ejection included iron, titanium etc, why would it form around the Earth rather than form a new planet or asteroid belt?
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Post by Henka on Mar 20, 2012 7:50:18 GMT 9.5
As you may have noticed there are long grooves across Europa that do not immediately seem to relate to the processes of forming that moon. For example our Moon does not have those, even though existing in a similar environment. And the anomalous groves exist at finer levels too. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080514131133.htmSee how many intersections you can find where 3 grooves meet. Paul, Europa is covered in ice...
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Post by paul on Mar 20, 2012 7:54:45 GMT 9.5
... Paul, Europa is covered in ice... Does ice explain the lines either in terms of scale (first image) or organisation (second image)? The second image, if relabeled, could pass for a city some months after a massive bombing attack Or is the second image a fake?
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Post by brandt on Mar 20, 2012 13:56:53 GMT 9.5
Europa is subject to some fairly strong gravitational forces isn't it? Is not ice/water more likely to evidence the effects of gravitational stresses?
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Post by paul on Mar 20, 2012 14:02:48 GMT 9.5
So what do gravitational stresses look like?
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Post by LorrB on Mar 20, 2012 14:15:45 GMT 9.5
Everyone over a certain age knows the answer to that one.
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Post by brandt on Mar 21, 2012 13:29:52 GMT 9.5
Strangely enough you are correct though I am sure that your inner beauty is unmistakeable.
Brother Paul, what is most likely. Gravitational stresses or alien cities on ice that are subject to gravitational stresses?
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