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Post by jackjack on Mar 23, 2012 15:00:20 GMT 9.5
True, it isn't a very common expression used in Greek; however, if you think about it, the statement made is done shortly before the close of Revelation so in a sense, it would make sense for Christ to be emphatic about something like this.
'Cause Revelation is a book that is supposed to be taught from.
It's sad though how so many people regard it as something mysterious.
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Post by paul on Mar 23, 2012 15:09:05 GMT 9.5
Odd that he did not say "ego khristos" that status being much more important than his personal name.
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Post by LorrB on Mar 27, 2012 11:02:50 GMT 9.5
And as for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? Well... All trees in the garden were good for food; so what made the fruit of the Tree of Wisdom poisonous? What if Eden was a state of being rather than a place and the tree was not a tree. A family tree is not a tree. Why would the 'tree' of wisdom be poisonous? Good question.
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Post by paul on Mar 27, 2012 11:22:31 GMT 9.5
As I recall, the same thing occurs in the Sumerian literature where Gilgamesh having accessed his great uncle (?), the god at the space port, is politely offered the food of the gods that will in fact trigger immortality in him. He however refuses because his local god has told him that food is death for him. The great uncle is rather pleased by Gilgamesh's refusal as he did not want another immortal to deal with.
Perhaps the Genesis version is a cut down version of the Sumerian.
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Post by Henka on Mar 27, 2012 13:08:31 GMT 9.5
As I recall, the same thing occurs in the Sumerian literature where Gilgamesh having accessed his great uncle (?), the god at the space port, is politely offered the food of the gods that will in fact trigger immortality in him. He however refuses because his local god has told him that food is death for him. The great uncle is rather pleased by Gilgamesh's refusal as he did not want another immortal to deal with. Perhaps the Genesis version is a cut down version of the Sumerian. Of course it is. But there is no space port, that's Sitchin's nonsense. www.sitchiniswrong.com/
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Post by Henka on Mar 27, 2012 13:09:47 GMT 9.5
And as for the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? Well... All trees in the garden were good for food; so what made the fruit of the Tree of Wisdom poisonous? Well, disobeying God is what made the fruit have the affect that it did on our first parents; because of this disobedience, our first parents were separated from God along with the rest of humanity. However, if we believe in Jesus, this relationship is restored. You can't restore a broken relationship by doing good works; you have to say you're sorry and mean it [repentence]. YHVH lied, the serpent (wisdom) told the truth.
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Post by paul on Mar 27, 2012 13:23:19 GMT 9.5
... But there is no space port, that's Sitchin's nonsense. Some think that Baalbek was build as a space port. Can you think of any other explanation for the use of such large stones?
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Post by LorrB on Mar 27, 2012 13:33:05 GMT 9.5
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Post by jackjack on Mar 30, 2012 18:25:42 GMT 9.5
Henka: all trees were good for food, however, it was disobedience to God's Word that introduced sin into the world--not b/c Adam and Eve ate from some "poisonous fruit" from some kind of "evil" tree.
And as for the temple in Baalbek...
I think they had huge blocks for a foundation because they had to support a massive temple.
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Post by jackjack on Mar 30, 2012 18:28:23 GMT 9.5
Paul; which stories are you referring to when you say that the Bible might be a copy of the Sumerian stories?
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Post by paul on Mar 30, 2012 18:38:58 GMT 9.5
The first man was Adapa in Sumer and Adamah in the Bible.
Both Sumer and the Hebrews had the account of a flood and an ark.
Sumer had a god Ea, the Hebrews had a god Jah.
Abraham was from Ur, a Sumerian town. It is rather likely he remembered the mythology of his youth.
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Post by Henka on Mar 30, 2012 22:13:54 GMT 9.5
Henka: all trees were good for food, however, it was disobedience to God's Word that introduced sin into the world--not b/c Adam and Eve ate from some "poisonous fruit" from some kind of "evil" tree. Answer me this: When Cain fled To the East, he met other people who already existed. Where did they come from?
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Post by jackjack on Mar 31, 2012 12:47:35 GMT 9.5
Excellent question. When I first started reading the Bible, I thought everything happened in sequential order almost all at once. When I went to school and started reading the text a little closer, I discovered that at times, the text would state that many years would lapse before something happened. Upon an even closer study of the text, I discovered that there were other instances where the Bible wouldn't mention time gaps at all, rather, there was a hinted allusion to the fact that several if not more years passed. Of course, then you've got the third kind of understanding of the time gap when you discover that there are other gaps of time that the Bible doesn't mention that you wouldn't have discovered if you had just stayed in the Bible. God gave us other resources for a reason; he never intended us to, as some say, stick our nose in the Bible. So what does all this have to do with the people Cain met? Well, Adam and Eve had more then two kids...
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Post by LorrB on Mar 31, 2012 14:37:00 GMT 9.5
... JJ .. You believe also that an actual snake talked? We are having enough trouble on this forum in putting forward that there may have been giant people in days of yore.. Personally, I am in the symbol and allegory camp with regards to a lot of the Bible and other Holy Books. With a bit of history thrown in for good measure.
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Post by Henka on Apr 1, 2012 0:08:51 GMT 9.5
Excellent question. When I first started reading the Bible, I thought everything happened in sequential order almost all at once. When I went to school and started reading the text a little closer, I discovered that at times, the text would state that many years would lapse before something happened. Upon an even closer study of the text, I discovered that there were other instances where the Bible wouldn't mention time gaps at all, rather, there was a hinted allusion to the fact that several if not more years passed. Of course, then you've got the third kind of understanding of the time gap when you discover that there are other gaps of time that the Bible doesn't mention that you wouldn't have discovered if you had just stayed in the Bible. God gave us other resources for a reason; he never intended us to, as some say, stick our nose in the Bible. So what does all this have to do with the people Cain met? Well, Adam and Eve had more then two kids... So, "Adam and Eve" had a whole slew of other children who went out and created whole societies which Cain met up with? LOL. There was some serious inbreeding going on, does anyone hear banjos?
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Post by cwhite on Apr 5, 2012 1:43:31 GMT 9.5
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Post by jackjack on May 25, 2012 4:44:02 GMT 9.5
How else can you understand the following?
"וְהַנָּחָשׁ הָיָה עָרוּם מִכֹּל חַיַּת הַשָּׂדֶה אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים וַיֹּאמֶר אֶל־הָאִשָּׁה אַף כִּֽי־אָמַר אֱלֹהִים לֹא תֹֽאכְלוּ מִכֹּל עֵץ הַגָּֽן׃"
"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
Tell me something; did God only symbolically create the world? Did God only symbolically create the sun, moon, and stars? Did God symbolically create symbolic animals? Did God symbolically create symbolic man and woman?
Humanity exists and is real; the animals exist and are real; the flowers are real; this whole life is real. You can interact with them all by using your four physical senses...of course, you might say "there's nothing more real then the supernatural; the supernatural is real--everything else illusion." But are knives illusions? Are TV's illusions? Is food illusion? Is your house an illusion? How about your refrigerator? Ever been cut before and bled? Is your blood an illusion? How about your doctor, your dentist, your family, friends, pets, animals at the zoo, grandmothers, grandfathers, and family reunions...
Do you really believe it's all experiences that your own mind is creating?
I guess the bigger question is are we all only symbols and in reality illusions of the matrix that was created by some overbearing, hate-filled programmer of a deity that Neo, the Master Hacker deity, must rescue us all from?
...Or...
Maybe we're all hillbillies deep down inside and the ultimate goal is to let the letter H shine!
8)
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Post by paul on May 25, 2012 8:50:30 GMT 9.5
It seems to me that the god of Israel liked to be thought of as the most important of the Elohim, and his followers wrote him up that way, even though he controlled only a small territory and was jealous of other gods.
Part of the write-up was presenting the god of Israel as the Creator, as compared to the occupier-manager of a very small part of an existing Creation.
There is however an entity that manifests the local universes as its own body of incarnation. This entity is referred to by the functional name: the Great Architect of the Universe. An equally functional name is: The Source of All (that humans can detect).
The body of manifestation of that entity is not an illusion for those lives that exist within it.
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Post by paul on Jul 12, 2012 9:41:25 GMT 9.5
... in the Cayce volumes we find the concept that within each of us is both the Holy One and the Evil One, wrestling for power and control over us. .. The Holy One can be considered as anchored via the Solar Angel that manifests on the higher mental subplanes. The Evil One however anchors at the top of the personal mind (on subplane 5.4) via the personal will. The Personal Will conceals its existence from the host human in various ways but it is possible to see it. The Personal Will is capable of faking spiritual experiences to pacify the human host.
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Post by LorrB on Jul 12, 2012 12:00:25 GMT 9.5
How would you test an experience? For me I rely on feeling whether it is genuine and what the experience might mean. The energy has felt positive with a few notable exceptions. Was not hard to tell the difference between the two.
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